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Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation?

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Kevin2

03-22-2006 19:01:21

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I can't afford a conventional full foundation garage, so I was wondering what is required for a foundation for a pole building in MI? Thx

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Kevin2

03-25-2006 08:41:34

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

Thanks for all the replies. It sounds like most of Mi. is on the same page rules wise. I will contact the local building inspector later this Spring, but he is hard to get a hold of, and you guys know the rules as well as he does!

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Mark

03-24-2006 18:40:18

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

How much extra does it cost to pour a footer and lay 3 or 4 courses of block..... .in relationship to the total cost, integrity and longevity of the building? I think if you do the math and factor in overall life of the building, you're being pennywise and pound foolish by not putting in a foundation. No, I'm talking out the side of my face or spending your money..... 22 years after the fact..(meaning when I built my pole building), I wish a thousand times over I had spent the extra shekels and did as i am advising anybody else to do. Unless you are using telephone poles...and new ones at that and of course, you have no termites up in that country, you'll wish you had invested in a good foundation. Keep any wood structure off/out of the ground!

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Robert in W. Mi.

03-24-2006 12:46:16

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

In my township, you have to have the poles 48" in the ground. The poles are set on a cement disc, no crete.

I believe the roof load rateing is now up to 60 pounds per. sq. ft. for snow load from 40..

BTW, it's true you don't have to have a bld. permit for ag., but they DO require a zoneing permit.

Robert

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hayray

03-24-2006 04:54:53

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

The Michigan Right to Farm Law supposedly says that you do not need a building permit for farm buildings, so you can tell your local inspector to go kiss off.

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RayP(MI)

03-23-2006 15:14:13

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

My Michigan experience was that I needed no foundation. Only requirement was that the postholes were at least 48" deep. Put concrete disks in bottom of holes. Back filled holes with sand and gravel, hoping to wick water away from the posts. So far so good. You should check with your local building department, township?

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JerryU

03-23-2006 04:46:47

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

Again, depends on Township AND IT CHANGES PERIODICALLY. I put my original pole barn in 12 years ago, gravel floor. Five years later I put on an addition and they require a rat wall where they didn't originally even though it has a gravel floor.

This is Huron Township (New Boston) by Metro Airport. The inspector required for the posts: a post hole 42" deep--he came out and measured. He said "Throw in a bag of Sakrete on the bottom, put in the post and throw in a couple of more. No need to mix them with water (we are in a high water table area)." I did that for the addition, but I think I would use ready mix to set the posts. Also, a 24" X 4" ratwall is required regardless of whether it is dirt, gravel, or concrete floor.

Again, go to the township or call, they will let you know.

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DaveInMI

03-23-2006 04:46:42

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

A contractor built mine. He put in a sack of quick crete dry, a precast concrete disk on top of that and then the pole on the disk.

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Dave 2N

03-23-2006 04:09:24

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

I think wwhat gUS said below is pretty standard procedure for most localities. Here in my township in NYS, the bottoms of the poles had to be holes had to be 42" deep to get below the frost line and they had to be on 8" piers.

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gUS

03-23-2006 04:06:10

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

Every municipality does seem to have their own interpretation of codes. Depends on the size of building, roof span, etc.In Mich. generally speaking they want a 12-24" diameter hole 42" deep to get below the frost line for each post. With 6-12" of concrete in the bottom. If you are going to get a permit, your township/ building inspector will tell you. If you are skipping the permit, try to do it right. In case you get caught, they may want you to prove it's correct. Used to just build anything anytime where I am, but times have changed. Good luck, Gus

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MarkB_MI

03-23-2006 03:53:14

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

You need to check with your local building inspector. It varies by municipality.

Here in Springfield Twp, they require a miniumum 4" slab. If the building will be used to house animals or feed, you need a 2' ratwall around the perimeter.

Madison Heights, on the other hand, requires a 2' ratwall around any building.

Of course, with a post frame building, your "foundation" isn't really the slab. The weight of the building is supported by concrete pads under the posts. Your building department proabably has a document that says how big these need to be, plus a bunch of other details on pole barn construction requirements.

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Blackhole49

03-23-2006 01:57:01

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

I assume you are talking about putting a slab inside. In my MI community no foundation is required. I would recommend a rat wall to keep moles and wood chucks from tunneling under. Thats what I did with both of mine.

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old

03-22-2006 19:53:29

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Re: Pole building in MI, what kind of foundation? in reply to Kevin2, 03-22-2006 19:01:21

None on my pole type buildings have any foudations. I just make sure the poles go in the ground a foot or so deeper the the frost line. Just be sure to use treated poles and if you want a little stronger sets fill the holes with cement. I have 2 building that where put up that way 10 plus years ago and they are still stand well.

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