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Greg Davidson

03-17-2006 17:27:18

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I need some ideas on how to fix my 8 N seat. I am a disabled vet both legs since 15 March 70.My legs have gotten to the point that I need to use a wheelchair at all times.The V.A.H built a wheelchair ramp for me last year which is a big help. I can stand but have to use braces or a walker. It is impossible for me to get on and off the tractor anymore. One of my sons took about 6 feet of rail off one side of my ramp.With the tractor beside the ramp I can transfer from my chair to the seat.My trouble is trying to get off the tractor anywhere but at the ramp.I want to one fix a seat I can get on and off the tractor anywhere.Fix controls to operate by hand.In other words still be able to plant and tend our small place. I appreciate any ideas.
Greg Davidson
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Boiling the tank was a cracker jack idea.

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Greg Davidson

04-14-2006 11:38:40

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Hey is anybody out there ? I replied to everyones response. I had surgery so it took awhile to get back to you. I apologize if anyone was offended for me not responding sooner.
Greg Davidson

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Dave NE IA

03-31-2006 19:02:51

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

To quote a bumper sticker I seen at the VA, If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in english, thank a vet. I don't have to give you a push, you can get it done, and my guess is you won't quit till you are on the seat. Just want to remind you of your saftey. Post back and give us a idea what is a going on. If you are anywhere near NE IA I will be happy to donate some time to help you out. I have all the metal working tools also. Dave NE IA

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 20:38:04

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Dave NE IA, 03-31-2006 19:02:51

Hey guy,
Sorry for being so long in replying to you and the others. I had to have a little surgery that turned in to a surprising battle for me. I get these knots on my back,ribs,under my arms etc.This one on my back kept getting bigger and the wife made me go see the dock. He said just a cyst no problem will get that out in no time. I went to outpatient a couple days later. When they cut that thing they bout lost there lunch. It had already abscesed and was in my blood stream. I had felt bad several days. When it got in my system it almost got me. I was in a week plus being pumped full of antibiotics. I lost 23 pounds. I had know problem losing the weight just how I lost it. Hey has anybody ever figured out how to roll a wheelchair over plowed ground ? If you do let me know....I have been all over Iowa and 47 other states. I was an over the road truck driver 10 years. My oldest son and I ran team. My legs just got worse and worse and I couldn't get in and out of a truck let alone a trailer. I took a disability retirement and let David have it. I have had all the surgerys the V.A.H can do on me. So they built a ramp and put me in this chair. I have to use braces to stand. They wont give me an electric because now I have developed heart problems. I bet now you wish you hadn't sent your email...I live in Paducah,KY. We have a small place 3 acres. We used to raise strawberries,rabbits,fishing worms and my wife raised chickens and had a heck of an egg business. They were pets (chickens).You could walk in the henhouse and they would fly up on your shoulder expecting you to pet and talk to them. They would fight for a spot on your shoulder. Well now that I have told you my life story I will shut up. Talk at you later.
Greg Davidson

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JoeK

03-19-2006 22:07:09

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

A thought that came to my mind would be fabricate a ROPS like,4post canopy,anchored at fender mounts and area of bellhousing.A small rigid trolley rail would extend diagonally forward and outward(overhead)to just ahead of the rear wheel(either side as preferred),A rolling pulley or block on this rail would allow something as simple as a comealong type device(no power req) or small rachet hoist to lift you with a sling/harness,slide to seating position,then uncouple and secure the "hoist" hook to a ring or such on the frame.In addition the framing,while NOT a ROPS would provide a mount for a sun/rain canopy and the posts would be handy for securing things like cellphone,water bottle,snackbox,or even clips to hang your walker.As to controls..on an 8N clutch and left(inside)brake are both fairly short throw and theres a fairly good supply of existing bolts in the area to attach bracketry for manual levers or even convert to levers and eliminate the pedals if you are sole operator.
-Just some thoughts from a former "N" wrangler.-

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 20:49:48

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to JoeK, 03-19-2006 22:07:09

Hey Joe,

I have been in the hospital had to have a little surgery. Lost some weight. Wife says not enough. Ain't wives helpful ? They keep you informed wether you want to be or not...I have been think about something for r.o.ps. We have some old hurricane fence pipe. I thought about taking it building an A frame. Having flat iorn welded in then bolting it to frame and transmission housing. One of my sons says it will leak (tranny)if we do that. I dont think so if we double washer and use a lock washer to. Unless that would make the tranny bolts to short to get good and tight ? What do you think or anyother ideas ?
Greg Davidson

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KRUSS

03-18-2006 13:02:55

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

I have been farming from a wheelchair since 1982 (in Manitoba, Canada). For tractor access I second the idea of Purdue U. Over the years I have accessed a lot of different equipment, and up until recently have been farming 1400 acres. The first lifts I used were sling lifts which were operated by a 12volt electric winch. More recently I have used a chair lift operated by a winch. An 8 N would not require a lot of height, so a hand winch may work. Electric hydraulic is safer than a winch but much more costly. As long as there are no pinch points, and the winch cable is kept in good condition, I found thw winch to be safe. I do not take my wheelchair with me, but there are ways. If you want more information, post again to me on this forum, right at the moment my keyboard has a dead symbol which makes it difficult to post my email address, but I could find a way.

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 21:15:40

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to KRUSS, 03-18-2006 13:02:55

Hi Kruss,
I have been to three provinces of Canada (Ontario,Quebec,and British Columbia).I was an o.t.r truck driver for 10 plus years (all 48 & CN).My oldest son and I ran team. Then my legs got to the point of not being able to go anymore. The V.A.built a wheelchair ramp and put me in this chair. You far 1400 acres...I have trouble keeping up with three. I havent heard until now about Purdue University. I am not paralyzed so dont know if they would help or not ? My legs buckle and I have to use braces and crutches to stand. They wont give me an electric chair because of a minor heart problem. I sure haven't figured a way to roll a chair over a furrow or disked ground. That is a sure way to a heart attack. I pull the tractor to the ramp and transfer to the seat. I cant get off that ol 8 N. What am I crying about here you are paralyzed and I just have bum legs. If you have time holler at me. Thanks for the advice.
Greg Davidson
Paducah,KY

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Don L C

03-18-2006 11:46:27

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Greg ---

I am missing my left leg....My hobby is old tractors....Here is what I am doing to my Farmall M ....A hand clutch, using a TA lever because it looks good...The breaks could be handled the same way....The lift I am using is 12v hoist from Harber Freight....If you don't want to convert tractor to 12v, a small deep cycle 12v battery could be mounted with hoist....You can buy a body harnes for about ..$90
this post is getting long e-mail me along with your phone no. and mailing address....i can send drawings.....we can help each other.... Don South West Ohio

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 21:25:27

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Don L C, 03-18-2006 11:46:27

Don L.C
I have the tractor brought to the ramp then transfer from my chair.Then vice versa. What do you think about the fence pipe idea ? Yes,the 8 N isnt very high but my legs buckle and I have no intrest in bustin my butt anymore. I appreciate the help I have received from all you guys. I had know idea about the site. How do you roll a chair across the yard,field etc ?
Greg Davidson
1106 Ellis St
Paducah,KY 42001
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T_Bone

03-17-2006 23:34:48

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Hi Greg,

I made a simple drawing of a side loader man lift. This is just enough info to get the general idea of my thoughts and details would have to be worked out latter.

How it works is your raised with a 12v boat winch #1, about $100, out of the wheel chair by the loader arm. You are then lifted over the rear tire with another 12v boat winch #2 on the loader arm to where your positioned over the tractor seat, then you lower yourself onto the tractor seat with winch #1, remove the lift cables and return the lift arm to the store position. Reverse to remove yourself from the tractor.

The loader frame is mounted inline with your tractor frame from front to back. The lift arm could be made to pivot for loading/unloading to the right or left side of the tractor.

I made one simular about 20yrs ago for the neighbor to be lifted into there motorhome, electric wheel chair and all. Worked well for such a simple design.

If you like the idea, maybe someone will volunteer to draw it up with autocad program after the details are worked out. The lift will cost less than $500 if you can find a local willing to drill some holes and cut some steel and do some light welding.

T_Bone

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 21:38:31

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to T_Bone, 03-17-2006 23:34:48

Hey T-Bone,

I couldn't access your Man lift pics. I don't have a loader on my tractor. What do you think about my A frame idea ? I think it will work one of my sons dosen't. Another idea is the axle inspection plates and bolting the frame to the back of the tractor. I will have writers cramp before I answer all my emails from you guys. Thanks again to everyone for the help.
Greg Davidson

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Mark - IN.

03-17-2006 20:53:56

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Thank you for your service for my family, this country, and myself.

Maybe this fella can help. He says he can. Let's see if I can't post the link.

Assistance

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 21:52:26

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Mark - IN., 03-17-2006 20:53:56

Thank you Mark it is appreciated. I am no war hero. Just another draftee grunt(infantry 69-71 4/9 E 2nd I.D. attached 4/152 E 25th I.D and 1/501 C 101st I.D.) who did my job along with everybody else. Yes I am proud I served our country and would do it again if need be. And yes I sure hope it dont get to that point. Myself they started it we didn't and you can bet your butt we'll finish it. Enough war stories.Thank you again for your kind words.
Greg Davidson

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msb

03-17-2006 20:09:34

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Purdue University has done a lot of design and engineering work for handicap farmers in the past. I would suggest you contact them for help.Good luck,bob
www.purdueuniversity.org

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 22:57:52

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to msb, 03-17-2006 20:09:34

MSB,

Bob,I apologize. It is late and I'm bushed. I read MSB as Miss B. Sorry man.

Greg Davidson

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 22:52:46

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to msb, 03-17-2006 20:09:34

MS B,

Thank you mam for the information. Mark I forgot to thank you for Herb Guy info (sorry). I have heard that unless you are paralyzed most of these help agencys are not interested in helping. I maybe wrong. So don't be offended by my remarks. I am not paralyzed just bum legs and have to use a chair to get around. Thank you again for the information and help. It is appreciated. I have made up my mind to answer ever message before I hit the sack....
Greg Davidson

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Mike M

03-17-2006 19:33:38

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Sounds like you need something like Stiener Corp. used to build for their 4x4 mowers. Ventrac may also build them now. These were made in Orrville Ohio. They had a machine you could just roll a wheel chair up into and go.

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 23:03:14

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Mike M, 03-17-2006 19:33:38

Thank you for the information I will check them out. Sorry I have been so long in replying to you and everyone else. I have had some health problems. Thank you again.
Greg Davidson

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Ga Jack

03-17-2006 19:25:38

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Check into archives for a set - up where an engine lift was fabed to fit the three point hitch. I belive it was done by "old". With the lift cylinder rotated, center post to swivel and a longer handle within reach you possibly could lift. If not three point set-up may be bolt a small lift, as used to lift in beds of pickups (northern tool) to axel tube. Just my suggestions. My best to you and good luck. jackie. HAND SALUTE

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 23:10:00

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Ga Jack, 03-17-2006 19:25:38

Jack,
This is probably a dumb question. The archives you mention is that yesterdays archives ? That sounds like a good idea boom pole. You could shorten it and rig it to do a 180. That really sounds like an idea. This is an outstanding forum.You guys are smarter than you look..... .....
Greg Davidson

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Paul Janke

03-17-2006 19:12:34

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

I would lean heavily toward something which will work when the tractor is shut off for the sake of safety. Twelve volt electric powered hydraulic is my first thought. If you put a roll cage on the tractor it may be able to double as the frame for an operator lift. Maybe some of what we as a group comes up with will be a place to start.....

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 23:19:49

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Paul Janke, 03-17-2006 19:12:34

Paul, The more I read the posts and think on them the smarter I seem to get. What about a 3 point fork lift ? Only trouble how would you get lifted high enough to transfer to the seat. Could the seat be rigged to spin to the back of the tractor ? I can raise the seat pan to get water off. If it did swivel the lift center arm would probably be support enough to hold my fat butt ? Maybe ? Just thinkin. Thanks again
Greg Davidson

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Kevin Bismark

03-17-2006 19:12:23

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

I have a cousin pretty much like you, his dad had made some deal so he could take the wheel chair right up into the cab, some hoist, been years since I saw it, guess he even was able to get into a bobcat and work, think he was worse than you may be, had really bad control of his hands, but sure made me happy when I herd he was out in the field working, don't give up, you just might find an idea you never thought of before..

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 23:30:22

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Kevin Bismark, 03-17-2006 19:12:23

Kevin,
My chair isn't motorized except by me. It folds up. I have never tried to put it on the tractor with me. I have wanted to but am afraid to try and get off unless I am next to my ramp. If my legs buckle I am on the ground. I am going to do something this spring come heck or high water. There is only so much t.v. a man can watch. And I dont know about you guy but every time my wife sees me idle she hands me a honey do list. Outta sight outta mind.....
Greg Davidson

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Larry48

03-17-2006 18:49:02

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

You must have been in about the same time I was. I don't have any ideas about the tractor, but I'm glad to hear you're still kick'in....alot of guys that were there with us ain't. Hope you get it figured out. Good luck.

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 23:46:07

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Larry48, 03-17-2006 18:49:02

Larry,
Thanks guy "Welcome Home" Drafted 69 ets'd 71. 11B20 almost the youngest 11B30 in the battallion.Turned out to be the oldest 11B10....I was with 2nd Inf Div. 4/9 E (Manchus).Attached 4/152 E 25th Inf Div. They wanted to board me but I wanted to stay. Me and the Army got along. Orders came down for 1/501 C 101st Abn Div. I was a cadre in a basic training unit at Ft Dix. We took chow out to the trainees on a night fire Jan 71. I slipped on the ice and woke up in the hospital. The steel rod in my left leg came out my left hip. And that was the end of my illustrious military career. "Airborne"
Greg

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Case450

03-17-2006 18:42:08

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Interesting dilemma. First of all let me say thank you for working on the freedoms we have today. Operating the controls you could probably do with rigging up some levers from the clutch and brake pedals up to arm height. extensions as it were. I'm no engineer but just my two cents. As for the seat transfer, I could only think of maybe rigging something up with the three point hitch and some hydraulics, however something rigged on there doesn't let you use the three point for much else. would it be possible to maybe rig a fold out rail or something like that to help you work yourself up into teh seat? Like a bar with a few hinges on it that would fold down and out to teh ground and than fold it to a smaller upright postion when your ready to get to work. Or perhaps the fender could be cut or repositioned to allow the seat to swivel out? Like I said i'm not an engineer or fabricator just some thoughts of mine. good luck!

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Greg Davidson

04-03-2006 23:58:48

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Case450, 03-17-2006 18:42:08

Case,
Good ideas. After reading your post I thought about my dear old grandaddys J.D. Remember with the belly lift and trail implements. Best I remember on the left side there was a spindle with a stickup lever. You pulled it a little sideways then ratched it to your position then locked it back in. I can lock both brake pedals so a lever with a step arm like a step planter could be pulled back and the arm engage the pedal shoving it down. Something to think about. Thanks guy...
Greg

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kyhayman

03-17-2006 18:16:36

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

Have you checked to see if your state has an Agri-Ability project through the Extension Service. Ours has a program where they will do the engineering you need and work with one of the Tech Centers to install the mods you need.

One of our Farm Bureau directors has been in a chair 20 yrs or so. They designed him a 4020 JD where the cab tilts and gets him in. He rolls hay, mows, does significant farming, by himself.

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Greg Davidson

04-04-2006 00:12:14

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to kyhayman, 03-17-2006 18:16:36

Kyhayman,
Hey are you a Kentuckian ? I'm from Paducah. I will look in to it. Thanks for the help. Holler at me.
Greg

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va. rebel

03-17-2006 18:14:31

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to Greg Davidson, 03-17-2006 17:27:18

hang in there dont give up where theres a will theres a way u will think of something just be carefully

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Greg Davidson

04-04-2006 00:19:56

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Re: Handicapable Farming in reply to va. rebel, 03-17-2006 18:14:31

VA Rebel,
I'm a Kentucky Rebel and proud of it. I dont know how to spell quit. Dad always told us if you aint on a first name basis with quit you wont do it. I was at the Pentagon when my oldest son was born. My wife and I married 31 years ago in Fairfax,VA. K.Y. S.C.V. Keep on keepin on...
Greg Davidson

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