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OT. Wiring help in SW MO

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Play farmer

03-16-2006 15:25:29




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Help from all you electricians. My son just set up a double wide and I'm helping him wire it from the meter loop in. They require a 4th ground wire. Where does it hookup inside the home?? Does it just attach to the neutral lug? Also do youknow the exact code (in county but hooking to Empire electric, sometimes picky) so I dont delay him any longer. He's already waited a month just to get the poles set.

Thanks in advance

Playfarmer

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RandyBee

03-16-2006 19:36:06




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 Re: OT. Wiring help in SW MO in reply to Play farmer, 03-16-2006 15:25:29  
Mobile home code requires the neutral and ground to be isolated in the panel. Do not tie neutral and ground together. You will have 4 wires 2 hot wires and neutral and 1 Green ground wire going to ground rod and mobile home metal frame at the distribution panel. see diagrams at the site below.

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Dusty

03-16-2006 19:11:42




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 Re: OT. Wiring help in SW MO in reply to Play farmer, 03-16-2006 15:25:29  
Is the double wide built to HUD or BOCA specks? They each are hooked up different.

Dusty



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paul

03-16-2006 18:13:47




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 Re: OT. Wiring help in SW MO in reply to Play farmer, 03-16-2006 15:25:29  
No, it doesn't just attach to the nuetral lug.

The exact code is NEC.

I feel much as the other fellow, might be in over your head on this one, needs to be done right for insurance & safety.....

--->Paul



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van robinson

03-17-2006 22:41:32




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 Re: OT. Wiring help in SW MO in reply to paul, 03-16-2006 18:13:47  
Remember, the NEC is the minimum requirements for electrical work. The local codes could be more strict than the NEC, but not more lax.



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Mark - IN.

03-16-2006 17:32:33




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 Re: OT. Wiring help in SW MO in reply to Play farmer, 03-16-2006 15:25:29  
I don't know about mobile homes in that many or most come prewired with a tail from the main out. But regardless, if you're wiring permanently, most municipalities require a licensed electrician wire in to the main, after that you can do what you want within standard.

Be concerned with what your local codes are, and the National Electrical Code, and chances are that you can pickup a copy from a local electrical supply. Local codes can be and often are more stringent to the NEC, but are never less than.

Just be careful that you're doing it up to snuff (code) because chances are will have to get it inspected prior to occupancy, which means you'll have to pull a permit, and if it's up to the main, usually the contractor (licensed electrician) will pull the permit.

You have to be concerned of course that what you're doing is safe for the family, and I'm sure that you are. BUT, keep in mind that if all of your "i's" are not dotted and your "t's" are not crossed, and there's a fire or such, many insurance companies inspectors will kick it back - they want your insurance premium money, don't care much for having to pay any back and look for ways not to, even if are "technicalities".

Be careful, do a good job, give the family a nice warm and safe place to reside. Do it by code.

Good luck, Mark

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Bill in TN

03-17-2006 11:43:54




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 Re: OT. Wiring help in SW MO in reply to Mark - IN., 03-16-2006 17:32:33  
I have no clue why a fellow needs a licensed electricion to hook up 4 wires. More government intervention in ones life as well as more fees collected I suppose. While it needs to be done correctly, you already know what to do with 3 of the 4 wires.....that leaves the green wire ground. So you need to pay someone to hook up that one wire? Where is it all going to end? We have become a nation of sheep following along and letting the big guys make all the decisions for us..... ...I'm with you on this one..... what you need is a little information on where to put the green wire..... ..

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Mark - IN.

03-17-2006 20:22:19




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 Re: OT. Wiring help in SW MO in reply to Bill in TN, 03-17-2006 11:43:54  
This person posted over at the Tractor Talk yesterday as well, and I replied there as well after I saw it. I gave two examples there, and I'll give you 2 more. I did a job at a mental health facility some years ago, the kind of facility where the residents don't know who or what they are for the most part. One day I was working in a box terminating power for a large -48 VDC system for the batteries and rectifiers. As I was looking my wires and terminals over before I went in there, a resident somehow managed to come up to me, points to my wires and says "If you terminate that one there, and that one there, it'll work". I'd seen this resident walking the facility before, and generally he was in a stupor and blowing bubbles on himself, but nonetheless, there he was telling me what to do. I didn't want to be mean or get punched by the guy, so I pampered him, and pointed at the same wires and lugs and repeated what he said. He was exactly right. When I turned to compliment him, he was walking away in another stupor blowing bubbles on himself as though the whole exchange never occured, and he had no idea that it had. Later I ran into Pete, the head sparky on the site and mentioned it to him. He knew exactly the guy I was talking about. According to Pete, the guy used to be a sparky himself, but one day made a mistake that he'll never remember to make again. 99% of the time the guy has no clue he's even alive, and 1% of the time he's as cognisent as you or I. It happens. And then there was Greg at Generating Station 18 in Romeoville. The guy lived in my neighborhood and I knew him from that plant. When I'd see him at the plant or around town I'd shoot the bull with him. I even bought a scooter from him. One day I was arriving at or leaving the plant, I don't recall, but I saw an ambulance back into one of the overhead doors, then they pulled it down. Someone got hurt. A few months later I'm leaving the plant, and when I got to the end of the drive there was a sign facing me that read "In loving memory of Greg...". I turned my truck around and went back to the EM shop to talk to his boss, John. "Hey John, what's that sign about Greg out there?". That ambulance that I saw backing into the plant that day was for what was left of Greg's body. He was a very experienced conciencious sparky for over 20 years, easily, and a great guy. He used to have this 3 wheeled wedge of a Honda car engine powered trike that he used to go out and scoot around on. Red, white, and blue, and kind've stupid looking, but he loved that thing. I miss Greg.

Just hooking up 4 wires huh? Read my other post, there's two more there.

Mark

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dr.sportster

03-18-2006 09:17:00




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 Re: OT. Wiring help in SW MO in reply to Mark - IN., 03-17-2006 20:22:19  
Thers also a thing called a cut in card.The contractor that pulled and sealed the permit has certain paperwork to submit that he/she has completed the job.At that time the inspector recieves notice to inspect[usually the contractor calls it in].The inspector upon his satisfaction that the job is meeting code then sends a cut in card to the power company.The line crew is then sent out to hook up the incoming line.No cut in card they never come.I have given up on electrical advice due to liability[who knows]lack of interest[Id much rather talk about internal combustion motors],laziness to get out codebook and try to explain to each guy what takes about five years of apprenticeship to learn.I have a contractors license in my state I have never used yet I take 34 hours of classes every three year code period,including changes to the NEC.Most people sound like they are about to burn down the building anyhow and I got yelled at by a guy named Bigwood,potatohead that I was full of BS[partially true because like I said Im too lazy to get out the NEC book to answer each question] While Im at work all day Im thinking about what Im going to do on my bike ,tractor ,or in my hobby machine shop that night.Ive worked on the George Washington Bridge,The Lincoln Tunnel,The Port Newark container terminal high voltage cranes[non covered by the NEC because they are their own "authority having jurisdiction"] and yet find each day more boring than the next.Now I work in a large postal facility whare panels commonly explode when removing covers due to paper dust.Ill probably end up being electrocuted anyway for not paying attention so my only advice is just hire a darn electrician that knows what hes doing and save your self the aggravation.The simple ground wire hook-up the original post requested info about can be explained in about forty ways in a ten hour course on grounding.Fun fact:once every nineteen days someone gets killed by 277volts,110 is the most common killing voltage.

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