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Rod MI

02-26-2001 09:47:53




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What mig welder in the 250 amp range would you pick if you only had about $2,000 to spend on one? Must be easy to setup for steel and aluminum and weld thinner material well and weld heaver material also well and will it weld 2 to 3 inch plate ok and use flux core wire? I wont to by a mig welder and just wont to have a welder that will serve all my needs. I have a century mig welder 100amp and it suppose to weld up to � thick steel in a single pass but it wont weld sheet metal (0.030) unless heated THANKS.

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Rod MI

02-27-2001 08:19:11




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 Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Rod MI, 02-26-2001 09:47:53  
Thank for all the replies I don't have to be able the weld 2 to 3 inch steal plate I just don't wont to spent $2000 for a 2000 dollar boat anchor! Sins my 100amp should weld 1/4 stock with a single pass and it will not I just wonted the new one to welled what the manufacture seed it will weld. Sow will the 250amp weld 1/2 stock in a single pass like the manufacture seed? maybe 1/2 to 1 inch in 2 pass will be fine will a 250amp mig. will a 250amp mig have enough heat to weld 1 inch steel with good penetration and be able to weld sheet metal 0.030 thick. this will not be a industrial setting it will just be in a home shop. How hard is tig to learn? FROM WHAT I'M HEARING I'M OUT OF LUCK THANKS FOR SAVING ME FROM BUYING ANOTHER PILE OF JUNK. Rod

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david

02-27-2001 11:54:12




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 Re: Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Rod MI, 02-27-2001 08:19:11  
I've been using a Miller 250 for 3 years, been extremely satisifed with .030 wire and 75-25 gas. I change to pure argon for aluminum but really prefer TIG (Miller Synchrowave, bought last yr.)for this work. My experience has been to use the MIG for new steel and high speed work. I have a Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC for old, rusted, or heavy steel. I had one of those "cheap MIGs" and never could weld right with it, bought the Miller and "wow". For really thin stuff I guess I'm old fashioned but I love brass and an oxy/aceytlene rig. Maybe with practice I'll use the TIG more for this.

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T_Bone

02-27-2001 09:15:20




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 Re: Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Rod MI, 02-27-2001 08:19:11  
Hi Rod, Well I wouldn't say for $2K your going to have a pile of junk but a machine with limations just like your current machine has limations. I have found mfg's to over rate there machines over the years that I've been welding. I figure about 2/3 of rated wannbe is what you get in reality.

Tig is pretty easy to learn. It's slower in weld time so it gives you time to think of your next move. A very forgiving weld process. We've discussed alot about Tig in the past three weeks. Do a search and you can read alot of responses.

T_Bone

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Greg

02-27-2001 00:49:53




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 Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Rod MI, 02-26-2001 09:47:53  
�What mig welder in the 250 amp range would you pick if you had about $2,000 to spend on one?�

I would do some research on any or all of these four manufactures. Miller/Hobart, Lincoln and Thermal-Arc.

�Must be easy to setup for steel and aluminum and weld thinner material well and weld heaver material also well and will it weld 2 to 3 inch plate ok and use flux core wire?�

Easy to setup � compared to what? MIG is pretty much a production process, if one is working within the narrow field where this process really shines you need to be aware of its limiting factors. Now one of the most of these limiting factors is the availability of the proper filler metals, and knowing when to go to or use another process and proper filler metal. On welding aluminum, unless you opt for a Push-pull wire feed system or a spool-gun, you may not be very happy. For awhile I tried smooth drive rolls and a Teflon liner and even with the stiffer 5356 wire and keeping the gun as straight as possible I wasted as much if not more wire than I burnt. Welding the thinner material as you have one of those small boat anchors ;^} you already know the low side [amps] needed to weld the material that you work with, and on the heavier plate you can make multi-passes [amps = heat - the more the better ]. Flux-core wire, yours and others mileage will vary with this as I�ve never gotten the results I require running anything smaller than .045 and I always run this duel-shield.

�I wont to by a mig welder and just wont to have a welder that will serve all my needs.�

The welding field is so broad and so many avenues to take and many of our needs vary differently, I can�t imagine having just one welder to do it all it�s just isn�t possible. Miller came close years ago when they make the smaller 250 Syncrowave based on the Shopmaster, but someone had their head somewhere where the sun didn�t shine when they left off the CV switch, add a wire feeder or better yet a suitcase welder like a Lincoln LN-25 with a contactor and this would have been a sweet setup, but to nice to Air-arc with and then would still need a engine driven welder.

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Sage

02-26-2001 20:22:02




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 Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Rod MI, 02-26-2001 09:47:53  
I bought a demo unit Esab 250 mig from the local supply shop for about 1400 five years ago. Have never had a problem with it and have used it tremendously.



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Norm in NC

02-26-2001 17:35:29




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 Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Rod MI, 02-26-2001 09:47:53  
My March catalog from RRAM Sales www.rramsales.com has the Millermatic 250X for $1736.99 Comes with 12 ft 250 amp mig gun, power cord, running gear/cylinder rack, regulator/flow gauge, gas hose and extra contact tips. Supposed to weld from 22 gauge to 1/2" . I personally like Millers, have a tig and mig. I buy my welders local but these prices are pretty good. Free shipping with $50.00 orders



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T_Bone

02-26-2001 17:06:54




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 Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Rod MI, 02-26-2001 09:47:53  
Hi Rod, Mig is really for a production type enviorment and thats why a good Mig head alone will run $2K plus. It just doesn't pay to go cheap on Mig machines so I suggest is to buy the best $6K to $7K or consider a good AC/DC, CC/CV power supply then add a good quality Mig head latter on and a spool gun for alumnium. I'm going to get alot of static on this call but thats how I feel.

T_Bone



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T-bones right

02-26-2001 23:04:15




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 Re: Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to T_Bone, 02-26-2001 17:06:54  
if you want to do 2-3 inch get a cc-cv with a LN-7 then you can go big or small I like my Miller big 30A with LN-7 and 5/64th innershield, can lay a puddle 3/4 to over 1 inch easy, just burnit!



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Steve

02-26-2001 19:47:33




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 Re: Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to T_Bone, 02-26-2001 17:06:54  
Its funny you mention that TBone put after a year of owning 600 dollar mig welder I am thinking of selling mine and going back to a decent ac/dc stick machine. Alot less headackes. You don't have to buy gas, rolls of wire, tips ect. You just grap a rod and do the job. I am not going to buy a expensive machine. Just a good ole buzz box. All mechincal parts that last many years. Either Miller or lincoln.

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T_Bone

02-26-2001 23:29:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Steve, 02-26-2001 19:47:33  
Hi Steve, I also use a very inexpensive AC machine that I've had for years thats been passed down in the family. I just can't justifiy spending 2K with burning 50# of rod a year. I bought a Lincoln SP100 Mig 15yrs ago to weld up some water tanks and the savings of building them myself payed for the machine plus but I sure wasted some money as it's only good for light gauge SM. I should have spent the money on a good AC/DC power supply and been done with it.

T_Bone

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BFO

02-26-2001 20:05:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to Steve, 02-26-2001 19:47:33  
Not only do you just grab a rod, you can grab a stainless one, a cast one, aluminum, etc., Keep the micro mig for lawn mower handles and get yourself a good 250 amp ac/dc stick machine



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That's why I'm going TIG

02-26-2001 19:40:44




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 Re: Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to T_Bone, 02-26-2001 17:06:54  
I feel like I can do whatever I need with a small to medium (and much less expensive than T_Bone describes)TIG unit. No big rolls of wire (of the wrong size), no spool guns, no real big expense.

Wade



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T_Bone

02-27-2001 00:02:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Best One in reply to That's why I'm going TIG, 02-26-2001 19:40:44  
Hi Wade, I should have worded that post a tad different. I was implying that a good Mig machine was in the $7K ball park, and a good AC/DC, CC/CV machine in the $2K ball park of what Rod was wanting to spend. $2K for a Mig rig would only buy a soso machine again falling short of expected results in a short time.

I also found a use for my cheap Lincoln SP100 Mig using it as a scratch start Tig unit. I was fixing to sell it before I thought using it as a Tig rig so now it has a home forever! It was real close to hitting the bricks tho :)

T_Bone

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