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HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close?

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Joe MD

03-07-2006 11:59:25




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A friend of mine and I are trying to create some living space in his basement. One of the options is to build a small room around the furnace and water heater. The furnace is a 5-10 year old Trane gas forced hot air system.

This is a narrow townhome in Balmore, hon, and we want to maximize the amount of space outside the "furnace room."

We are wondering how close we can build the room to the furnace. We will need to leave enough room for servicing and filter changes etc., but are wondering about other obstacles.

Do they need air? Need to breathe?

Safety concerns?

Thanks in advance.

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supergrumpy

03-08-2006 08:29:47




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 Re: HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close? in reply to Joe MD, 03-07-2006 11:59:25  
did same thing

consider the resale a bit - if you put the whole thing together with speed screws and brackets, costs a bit more but disappears real nice when you want to sell the place



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T_Bone

03-07-2006 23:13:04




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 Re: HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close? in reply to Joe MD, 03-07-2006 11:59:25  
Hi Joe,

Look for the unit lable and it should spec the combustion clearence spec's, usually 2" on the rear of the unit and 1" on the sides. Different units have simular spec's and don't cheat them as there for a good reason.

Most equipment rooms have to be fire rated walls and ceiling. Usually two layers of 1/2" sheet rock for a 1hr fire rating.

Then there's a make up air requirment. Usually combustion air has to be metal duct to with-in 6" of the floor and a room vent opening that extends 12" below the joist. Duct size is determined by the BTU/hr rating.

There's needs to be a unit electrical disconnect with-in sight of the unit.

Gas line shut off needs to be 6" above the floor grade with 6" of easy access clearence to the valve.

This will give you a basic idea of Code requirement but as stated you need to check with your local code enforcement for the current codes for your area as they will probably be more restrictive than what I've stated.

T_Bone

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Kirk Grau

03-07-2006 17:54:49




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 Re: HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close? in reply to Joe MD, 03-07-2006 11:59:25  
Typically, you will have 3 issues to consider for this type of project:

1. Clearance for service and maintenance. You stated you will keep space for filter removal and in front of access panels.

2. Clearance to Combustibles. This requirement should be on the nameplate of the furnace, but if you left room for number 1, you will probably be OK.

3. Yes, they do need adequate air to support combustion, If it is a "hi-E" type furnace with PVC flue out a sidewall it most likely also has a PVC combustion air inlet. If it is not that type, you will need to provide grilles/door louvers/etc. The minimum size of these type openings is governed by code.

It was good advice to give a courtesy call to your local code official to make sure you don't have some unique local requirements also.

As usual YMMV,

Kirk

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steve in in

03-07-2006 13:02:11




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 Re: HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close? in reply to Joe MD, 03-07-2006 11:59:25  
How about putting in a double wide set of closet doors, the bifold type to access the furnace and hot water heater. That is, if they are close enough together. Otherwise, maybe just create a utility closet with a door for each.



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TGIN

03-08-2006 03:02:26




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 Re: HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close? in reply to steve in in, 03-07-2006 13:02:11  
I was thinking about the samething . Use the louvered doors and make walls that could be taken down real easy . Or 2x2 walls with 1/4 in. paneling hinged off the main walls so they could be open for any service or repair .



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Joe In MN

03-07-2006 12:05:45




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 Re: HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close? in reply to Joe MD, 03-07-2006 11:59:25  
YOU WILL NEED TO CALL YOUR LOCAL BUILDING INSPECTION DEPT. AND GET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN CALL THE LOCAL FIRE DEPT. TO GET THEIR ADVISE, IT WOULD NOT HURT TO ALL A GOOD FURNACE COMPANY TO GET THEIR ADVISE AS WELL. MOST FOLKS HAVE DIFFERENT CODES AND REGULATIONS TO FOLLOW WHERE THEY LIVE, YOUR NO DIFFERENT MY FRIEND... GOOD LUCK....



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Joe MD

03-07-2006 12:54:44




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 Re: HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close? in reply to Joe In MN, 03-07-2006 12:05:45  
Joe,

Valid point, but we are jsut in the planning stage. Trying to see if it is even possible.

I should mention that this is electric ignition (no pilot) and the airhandler is on top (integral).

Anyone have a rough idea on code/best practices?

Thanks,
Joe



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Charles (in GA)

03-07-2006 17:54:18




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 Re: HVAC ? Box-in Furnace, how close? in reply to Joe MD, 03-07-2006 12:54:44  
Building a room or closet around the systems is not unusual. Both the furnace and the water heater both should have on them or in their manuals, specific recommendations about how much clearance front, back, and sides you must allow. They also should specify the CFMs of air that need to be made available to the units or other similar info.

Yes, go talk to HVAC people and see if they have any specifics for your area, preferably a dealer for the type of units you have.

Charles

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