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Drill bit sizes

SOME QUESTIONS ???

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Alberta Mike

02-25-2001 13:20:47




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I'm looking at a chart here of drill bits and their actual sizes. The list goes from smallest (0.10mm) to largest (1") and it contains all 4 systems (fractional inch, metric (mm), numbered, and lettered). Now I see where the fractional and metric (mm) sizes follow a definite pattern of increment sizes as they get bigger but the numbered and lettered bits don't seem to have any pattern or regular step from one size to the next (at least that I can figure out). Can anyone fill me in on where these sizes came from and who determined what they actually are? And exactly who really uses the numbered and lettered sizes?

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Nort Davis

03-19-2002 06:44:36




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 Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 02-25-2001 13:20:47  
need to put a number 10 SS screw into fiberglass. Trying to find out what size drill bit to use. Can u help?



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Victor Leong

08-06-2005 14:27:16




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 Re: Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Nort Davis, 03-19-2002 06:44:36  
what size drill bit to use for 4.8 screw into wall?



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Larry Garbarek

02-26-2001 14:14:49




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 Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 02-25-2001 13:20:47  
I see a lot of number size drills in the aerospace industry who uses millions of rivets.

I wonder if letter size is for taps. Numbers for rivets????? ??



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Roger Williams

02-25-2001 21:19:40




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 Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 02-25-2001 13:20:47  
Alberta Mike, None of the replys answers your question. I don't know answer either; but I'll make a guess. "Number" size drill bits is a reference to "Gage Number". In years gone by, many many suppliers [manufacturers] of materials (wire, plate, bar, rod, sheet, tools,...) created standard sizes [dimentions) - read THEIR standard sizes. Some gage sizes, even today, have retained the name of the that company (ie, Brown & Sharpe, Birmingham iron, Washburn & Moen, American Steel & Wire, U.S.Standard,...).

The "Number" of number size drill bits refers to wire gage number. the actual size of the wire gage seems to follow the Stubs' Steel Wire standard. Probably, some drill bit manufacturer used steel wire based on the Stubs' standard to make drill bits. A Stubs' standard wire gage size 40 is .097" diameter...so the number 40 drill bit was .097" diameter. oooops, #40drill bit is .098" . oh well life wasn't perfect.

I have no clue how letter size drill bits were named. #1 number size drill bit is the largest, so to go larger than #1 [smaller number] they probably just started using letters to name larger sizes. Notice letter drill bits stop at Z....if we want to put names on bits larger than Z, maybe we can use the names of the Planets, or star names, or baseball player names, or names of fish, or...

PS; Ray, had the best advice about sizing holes for taping. His info is the straight stuff. If others tell you that you have to size (drill) the hole so all the threads are full depth, they are wrong. Using tools available, 100% thread depth is nearly impossible to fit. 60% is fine, 75% is tight, 80% calls for precission fitting, 40%-50% thread depth is plently good enough for non-engine farm stuff.

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Ray,IN

02-25-2001 19:57:55




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 Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 02-25-2001 13:20:47  
I will email you a page from machinery's handbook if you like. A thread depth of 75-80% is quite sufficient for ordinary machine work. To try to obtain total thd depth is unnecessary and may actually cost you. The tap may break off due to excessive resistance and leave you with a tougher problem. Tests show that if the length of thd is 1 1/2 x the thd diameter, 60% thd is adequate for almost all work, more does not add significatly to the strength of thd. The formula for finding the tap drill to use is:D=T-0.75x2d ;where D=drill dia. and T=dia of tap or thd., and d=depth of thd. Of course the easist way is to go by a hardware store and buy a pocket size chart. Perhaps too much info? Ray,journyman toolmaker (ret)

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Al English

02-25-2001 22:47:29




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 Re: Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Ray,IN, 02-25-2001 19:57:55  
Hi Ray, 100% threads are actually weaker than the threads you described. The type of material and type of tap both effect the ideal drill size, but I've never seen anyone get in trouble from using a tap drill chart.

As you would know, an improperly sharpened drill and/or heavy pressure on the drill can both cause it to cut oversize. So even using the right size drill still doesn't guarantee a perfect hole...Al English

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john d

02-25-2001 18:19:30




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 Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 02-25-2001 13:20:47  
As alluded to in previous posts, those sizes have to do with making holes for threads.

There are various thread systems in use, and in fractional sizes those tend to be grouped into NC and NF threads. The coarse and fine thread series for the same size bolt will actually have a different diameter when measured at the deepest part of the thread. To achieve MAXIMUM holding power with a cap screw (bolt) that's going into a threaded hole, the hole MUST be drilled to exactly the proper diameter before threading. That's where the Letter and Number sizes come in. As a practical matter, you can often achieve pretty good results with the fractional drill which is the next larger drill than the one the threading chart calls for. BUT, you WILL NOT have enough material to get threads of full depth, therefore, the bolt will not hold maximum rated load.

If you're drilling holes to be tapped, use the proper size drill if at all possible.

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T_Bone

02-25-2001 15:54:46




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 Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 02-25-2001 13:20:47  
Hi Mike, The number bits are fractional decimal size upto .2280 that is a number 1, then letter A starts at .2340 then goes higher to Z. There inbetween sizes of 1/64". Example:

3/8 or 24/64 = .375
V = .377
W = .386
25/64 = .3906

The number bits fill the low end decimals but there's more of them for inbetween 1/64" increments. Number 97 the smallest at .0059 and goes to No 79 or .0145 the one just before a 1/64" drill.

T_Bone

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john lima

09-02-2001 14:45:49




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 Re: Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to T_Bone, 02-25-2001 15:54:46  
where can I get a .032 drill bit to drill out My carter 2 bbl carburetor venturies, jeep recommends drilling out venturies to .032, but does not tell you where to fund the drill bit.
looked everywhere locally, no luck. help would be gratly appreciated.

johnlima 1ap



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john lima

09-02-2001 14:45:42




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 Re: Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to T_Bone, 02-25-2001 15:54:46  
where can I get a .032 drill bit to drill out My carter 2 bbl carburetor venturies, jeep recommends drilling out venturies to .032, but does not tell you where to fund the drill bit.
looked everywhere locally, no luck. help would be gratly appreciated.

johnlima 1ap



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roy

02-25-2001 14:32:08




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 Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 02-25-2001 13:20:47  
lettered and numdered drills are used
when taping holes.



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Bus Driver

02-25-2001 18:08:19




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 Re: Re: Drill bit sizes - SOME QUESTIONS ??? in reply to roy, 02-25-2001 14:32:08  
All the sizes are listed on a pocket size card. Starrett makes a good one. Check your local Starrett distributor. You'll be glad you did.



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