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J.Priest

03-01-2006 08:45:23

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Hi, I have a Holman Howden diesel powered portable compressor unit. It is a tow behind unit. It works good but i think it has a couple of parts messing. I know it was built in Scotland, I E-mailed a place in scotland but no answer yet. There are no label plates. The unit was sold in the US sometime in the 60-70's. So there are people out there somewhere that know of them. I need info. and possibly operating and service/parts manual. thank you J. Priest [email protected] in New Jersey

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circus

04-01-2006 17:39:20

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

I have the beast and love it. It gets a workout sand blasting, . It has an English Ford (Dorcet)4 cyl. diesel with a Holman screw. A unique wine of the straight cut gears in the bell housing increase screw rpm. This decreases fuel use. Parts & manuals are avail. from CompAir Canada. Perhapes not for your exact model but useful. Note: When I bought mine 20 years ago the comp. oil pump was seazed from old oil varnish breaking the shaft. Good Luck Want to sell?

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circus

04-01-2006 20:31:13

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Found your engine on this site in reply to circus, 04-01-2006 17:39:20

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Charles (in GA)

03-02-2006 02:13:48

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

The 3 cyl ford tractor was introduced in 1965 world wide. Prior to that it was 4 cyl, very different engine.

Charles

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XRogerX

03-01-2006 19:49:00

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

Umm, instead of a Gardner Denver dealer, the CompAir dealer would be the place to start, obviously! The engine may be a 2711E on further reflection.

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XRogerX

03-01-2006 22:19:37

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to XRogerX, 03-01-2006 19:49:00

I have seen some references to the 2711E being used in marine applications as well.

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XRogerX

03-01-2006 19:21:31

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

Hang on! I think it was actually referred to as a "2711" in which case, the guys in the link might be able to help you out.

In searching I have seen various Atlas Copco compressors listed as having the same engine. one of the search results actually referred me back to this website

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Charles (in GA)

03-01-2006 17:19:51

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

This is a Dutch site. If you can get it to load, this is a 41 page PDF file and you need broadband to load it, no phone dial up. You might find some pics in this Dexta engine manual that you can compare with what you have.

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Sorry for the many posts, it just comes in spurts. Hope it helps in some way.

Charles

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Charles (in GA)

03-01-2006 17:08:25

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

Read this, expecially the sixth paragraph.

http://fordson.freeweb.nl/story_bdye9.htm

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J.Priest

03-01-2006 18:18:23

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to Charles (in GA), 03-01-2006 17:08:25

Looked over the sites you gave. What Fordson pics I found are 3-cylinder. This is diffently a four cyl. I'm going to look around and see if i can find engine numbers. I'll get back to you Thanks

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J.Priest

03-01-2006 17:07:00

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

Thanks I'm going to the two sites you gave me. Later

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J. Priest

03-01-2006 17:01:53

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

What a can of worms!!! Howden is the inventor of this type. I call a rotary blower type, it is known for high CFM output. It is suppose to run around 150#. This inventor was in the UK in the late 1800 or early 1900's. I was told he teamed up with Holman oh did the sales of these units. Supposeitly they coupled various motors and sold as a portable unit. Yes Howden is a company gtill in business. I called two howden US outfits. I was told "We are Howden not Holman Howden"!!! I need to find older guys that have worked on these. I know there are people out there. Called Harris real old company from 1936. Got a kid on the phone "never heard of them"!! Still waiting for my Scotland E-mail. I hate E-mail lots of times people don't answer while you wait and wait. I didn't give up yet.

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J.Priest

03-01-2006 16:49:04

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

Charles< did you ever see or work on these Holman Howdens? Maybe it is a English Ford. I've heard of them. I don't know one diesel from the other unless it is a big Jimmy or Fairbanks morse.

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Charles (in GA)

03-01-2006 17:01:43

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 16:49:04

No, I'm just slightly familiar with the English Fordsons, the engines were Dagenham Diesels, variants of the gas models, and really were not all that strong or durable (lots of folks will probably argue that, I'm speaking in very general terms from what I've HEARD, not what I've experienced)

It would be nice if you could find some pics of Fordson diesel engines of similar vintage, late '50's or early '60's and compare with what you have.

I did a couple of searches on the Fordson forum, for Holman and Howden thinking someone had already been down this road, but turned up nothing.

Charles

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Charles (in GA)

03-01-2006 16:45:32

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

Doing some Google searches, it appears that Holman is an old line compressor company. Howden still exists and makes large (huge) pipeline compressors and the like. Just guessing, it appears that somewhere along the line they merged and later dropped the Holman name, and got away from their roots, so to speak.

doing searches for Holman Compressor turns up alot of information.

Apparently Compair is/was the Holman line also.

Read this:

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http://www.terrapart.com/british.html

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Charles (in GA)

03-01-2006 16:27:51

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

Sounds like it might be an English Fordson diesel tractor engine possibly.

Charles

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Charles (in GA)

03-01-2006 14:43:17

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 08:45:23

Can you tell what kind of engine it has? Possibly an English made Perkins?

Charles

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J.Priest

03-01-2006 16:21:01

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to Charles (in GA), 03-01-2006 14:43:17

Engine is a 4-cylinder diesel. it looks to be Ford. Both sides of block have raised letters spelling what looks like Ford. It is written the the way Ford would write on old trucks. Do you have anymore info. Thanks Joe

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J.Priest

03-01-2006 16:17:36

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to Charles (in GA), 03-01-2006 14:43:17

Compressor diesel has a Simms Injector pump attached to it#P4885

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XRogerX

03-01-2006 18:55:49

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to J.Priest, 03-01-2006 16:17:36

I have only worked on one of these units, and that was about 3 years ago. They don't seem to be very common in Canada at least. I believe the engine is referred to as a Ford 2511. I am not sure I remember correctly, so take it for what its worth. These Ford diesels have been used in several other brands of compressor. I know that I worked on a 1971 Gardner Denver portable about 5 years ago that had one of these engines. I had to pull the head and get it planed because it was warped. I remember the guy at the head shop had a hell of a time finding parts for it as well, as none of his books made any reference to it. He was a very old hand in the business who owned the company, so if he had trouble, you can bet most others would have given up.

In a pinch, you could call a Gardner Denver dealer and inquire about parts for a Ford diesel for a compressor of that era. No guarantess, but it might turn up something. Holman was indeed one of the very oldest divisions of CompAir. I believe they started out in the rock drill business. I think Howden was the earliest company in England to sell rotary screw compressors. They are well over a century old. I have seen at least one Champion screw with a Holman air end, and I have seen an absolutely huge blower in a coal fired power plant built by them.

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J.Priest

03-02-2006 07:09:17

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Re: Holman Howden Compressor in reply to XRogerX, 03-01-2006 18:55:49

Thanks for the sites. I'm still looking.

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