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ric1

02-28-2006 18:29:27




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i need diesel fuel up at about 100 ft straight up on top of a silo . i wonder if i could pressureize a small tank maybe 10 galllon fuel tank and have a air fitting adapted to it to force it up a small pipe to the top any thoughts




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Fred Martin

03-02-2006 11:38:51




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 02-28-2006 18:29:27  
It sure looks to me that it would be a lot less headaches to haul a tank up there with ropes and pulleys and forget about pumping it. Five gallon can would be easy job. Even if you don"t have a rope that long...a 3/8" poly rope would be sufficient and lots cheaper than a pump. Fred OH



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T_Bone

03-02-2006 02:53:49




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 02-28-2006 18:29:27  
Hi Ric,

To have combustion you need three things:
Fuel - Air - Ignition

In your project you have 2 of the three items for combustion, fuel and air, enclosed in a tank thus now you have a kaboom. The kaboom comes after the bomb.

Yes, a diaphram pump would be alot better idea as pointed out by sNd. A Surflo 12vdc 5gpm pump that will pump 80psi, diesel rated.

T_Bone



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ric1

03-02-2006 16:19:11




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to T_Bone, 03-02-2006 02:53:49  
i tried using one of those pumps like you fuel equipment with ac motor i reduced the line down to 1/4 inch but it wouldnt pump it up that far



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T_Bone

03-03-2006 04:49:39




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 03-02-2006 16:19:11  
Hi Ric,

As Paul pointed out, you first need high pressure to over come the static pressure of 43.29psi, then add more pressure to over come friction of the wall resistance or Cv factor, then I don't know if you'll have a pumping loss because of the diesel? I've never tried to pump #2 that high so I'd have to read up on it.

Overall I'd say you would need a 80psi pump just to cover all your bases on a 1/2" line with check valves at every 20ft joint.

Do be very caucious if you get up in the 300psi range (could be as little as 200psi during the heat of the summer) as then your close to the latent heat of compression of #2, or the reason why a diesel engine fires.

Are you in a cold climnate? Maybe your close to the #2 gell point, 0ºf.

As you can see there's many considerations to this design and is why you need a engineer to solve the problems.

T_Bone

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ric1

03-03-2006 17:07:38




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to T_Bone, 03-03-2006 04:49:39  
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR REPLYS THOUGH I THINK I WILL GO WITH SOME KIND OF PUMP SURE DONT NEED NO EXPLOSIONS



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souNdguy

03-01-2006 12:22:37




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 02-28-2006 18:29:27  
Be safe.. use a charge pump... depending on how much flow you need, an electric fuel pump from napa may be a good/safe/cheap/easy/ answer.

Soundguy



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JMS/MN

03-01-2006 08:23:57




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 02-28-2006 18:29:27  
OK, one of us has to ask- what are you going to use it for up there?



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paul

02-28-2006 20:32:04




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 02-28-2006 18:29:27  
Well if it were water it would take right around 50 psi to get it there - pressurizing fuel with air that much in a home-made operation would not be my game. :)

--->Paul



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jjohn

02-28-2006 19:45:31




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 02-28-2006 18:29:27  
Yes you can use air pressure but be careful to vent the top and that the tanks can stand the pressure it is going to take to get it up there, very critical because most tanks will not stand much pressure. We pressure off some of the loads we haul on tanker trailers and they are made to stand it, but it don't take but about 15 LBS. be careful. Jim



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Ole/mn

02-28-2006 19:36:36




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 02-28-2006 18:29:27  
Did ya really burn a whole tank of fuel driving it up there?????



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old

02-28-2006 19:26:20




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to ric1, 02-28-2006 18:29:27  
My self I would pump it not use air preassure. I don't know how much preassure it take to make it burn but think about how a diesel engine works and you can see why I wouldn't do it that way



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mjbrown

03-01-2006 04:51:19




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to old, 02-28-2006 19:26:20  
Compression in a diesel engine needed to ignite fuel is about 550 psi! Far far beyond what would be needed to push liquid fuel up a hundred feet.



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ric1

03-01-2006 16:28:16




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to mjbrown, 03-01-2006 04:51:19  
i need it to wet down a asphalt drag slat conveyor so it wont be stuck so often



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phil lowe

03-01-2006 14:31:57




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 Re: pressurized diesel fuel tank in reply to mjbrown, 03-01-2006 04:51:19  
offloaded a meter prover truck same way by hooking up 90 psi yard air to it the other day no issues ,only over coming height of truck ,15 feet or so ,but no big deal,open ended on discharge end ,
also size of pipe going up will not change pressure you need to get it up there .head is head ,,now the volume of air is another question ,,how much fuel you need up there ,you may need large volume compressor to push large volume of fuel..

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