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Silage Cart Motor Repair

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Farmall_Ryan

02-27-2006 07:59:53




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Our uebler silage cart wouldn"t start the other day. After checking things, I found that it didn"t have any spark. I disconnected the low oil switch and the ground-out key switch to make sure neither were shorting out the ignition. I also checked the plug to make sure it wasn"t internally shorted out.

It still wouldn"t start so I took the recoil starter and shroud off from the flywheel. The coil has a high tension wire going to the plug as well as a small stab connection on the opposite end. The stab connects to a wire that ultimately is connected the the kill switch and low oil switch.

According to the users manual, this is a transistorized magneto. There is a small silver box bolted to the frame that connects to the oil switch and the small wire from the coil.

With the plug wire disconnected and the coil unbolted from the frame, I tested continuity from the coil laminations to the small stab connection. The laminations are bolted to the frame to hold the coil in place so they are definiately grounded normally. It seems like the small stab should be isolated from the laminations, because I assume that is what grounds out the coil to shut the engine off...?

Finally, my questions.

1. What is a "transistorized magneto" and how does it work differently?
2. I assume the little silver box is the transistor?
3. Should the small stab be isolated from the laminations? (Coil bad...)

Sorry about the long winded post.

By the way, its a Honda GX160 engine.

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buickanddeere

02-28-2006 06:57:31




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 Re: Silage Cart Motor Repair in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 02-27-2006 07:59:53  
Faster, easier, cheaper and more reliable to toss the old engine and bolt on new. New discount engines cheap from places like www.smallenginewarehouse.com



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barnrat

02-27-2006 16:08:19




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 Re: Silage Cart Motor Repair in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 02-27-2006 07:59:53  
Unfortunatly your motor is most likely shot. That whole coil unit is one part. Last I knew It ran about $150. The electronics inside the coil burn up, Rendering your motor useless. I have a GX160 on my Rissler mixer cart. When my father in law had it, the coil would burn out on him every 1 1/2 to 2 years. The motor on it now had gone five years(knock on wood) and no problems.



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Farmall_Ryan

02-28-2006 07:36:51




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 Re: Silage Cart Motor Repair in reply to barnrat, 02-27-2006 16:08:19  
Here is a link to the coil I found. Fits my engine model and looks like the one I tested. Replacing this would basically be the entire electrical system minus the low oil switch and that little silver cube .

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Farmall_Ryan

02-28-2006 07:30:36




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 Re: Silage Cart Motor Repair in reply to barnrat, 02-27-2006 16:08:19  
I looked up the coil online and I can get one for about $70 versus the new motor which will run just over $400. The motor is only about 2 years old. Wouldn't it be worth it to replace the coil/mag unit instead?



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Gene Davis (Ga.)

02-28-2006 19:15:56




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 Re: Silage Cart Motor Repair in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 02-28-2006 07:30:36  
There are lots and lots of the solid state ign itions both new and used on E-bay at very good prices.



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Jon Hagen

02-28-2006 18:30:17




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 Re: Silage Cart Motor Repair in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 02-28-2006 07:30:36  
Good grief yes,what are these guys thinking. Put a new mag on it for 15% the cost of a new engine. You might see if one of the other aftermarket outfits make a replacement unit if stock Honda part only lasts 1-1/2 -2 years. I have never had a Briggs transistor switched mag coil fail,and some of them are 20 years old.
You are correct that the little box is a sensor coil and switching transistor that tells the coil when to fire,just like the ignition points did on older engines.
Do another google search for that coil,I found some listed for as little as $35.

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Farmall_Ryan

02-28-2006 18:44:13




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 Re: Silage Cart Motor Repair in reply to Jon Hagen, 02-28-2006 18:30:17  
Thanks for the help.

Judging by my explanation above, does it sound like the coil is dead or could it be the transistor that is shot? The small stab connection on the coil seems to have continuity to the laminations, which in turn bolt to the frame...



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Jon Hagen

02-28-2006 22:13:34




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 Re: Silage Cart Motor Repair in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 02-28-2006 18:44:13  
Could be either one has failed. Most are not made to take apart and repair,they are usuall molded as a unit and made to be replaced as a unit.



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