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Steve

02-23-2001 19:51:57




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About how tight do most of you tighten the drive roller on your migs. The instructions say tighten just enough so that the roller can slip if it butts up to the work piece. Am wondering if I'am not tightening enough. I know if it's to tight it can wear down the tip faster. I still don't know why I get a good arc going and it's like the wire melts back a few hundreths to a drop and continues to go back to a arc again. Could this be slipping problem. Checked the machine electrical system and everything O.K. Still need to clean the liner out. Welder not used very much since new. Maybe tomorrow. Thanks again. Steve

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Steve

02-25-2001 08:41:11




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 Re: tightening drive roller in reply to Steve, 02-23-2001 19:51:57  
Thanks TBone and Steve. I set the rollers like you both said. Thats excellent advice. Steve. what is a trimmer pot? Is it like the tri arc relay that the tech had me check with a voltage meter?



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Steve U.S. Alloys

02-25-2001 13:20:28




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 Re: Re: tightening drive roller in reply to Steve, 02-25-2001 08:41:11  
Its a small thing that looks like a slotted head stud centered in a clock face. Numbers all the way around. It adjusts the starting speed of the drive motor. It helps give the wire a momentary boost to prevent burn back when starting the arc. If it's set too slow the motor lags just enough to let the wire melt back to the contact tip. It doesn't effect anything once the arc is established and the wire is feeding.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

02-24-2001 08:02:02




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 Re: tightening drive roller in reply to Steve, 02-23-2001 19:51:57  
This is how I was taught to set those up. If you try this be sure you are not grounded because the wire will be hot when you squeeze that gun trigger. Some are hot all the time so be careful.

Tighten the drive rolls until you can hold the wire between your fingers and the drivers keep pushing, forming a loop in the wire between your fingers and the contact tip. If the wire slips while you are holding it, the drivers are not tight enough.

There may be other drive roll configurations for your machine also. For tubular wires, a U-groove roller is recommended. Knurled for extremely soft and V for hard wires.

Cast and helix are also going to be a factor. If the cast and helix are not controlled by the manufacturer the wire may have too much memory leading to feeding problems and premature drive component wear. Some of these manufacturers draw wire so hard or so dry that if you look at it under a microscope it has little flakes and burrs visible. Some don't get all the lubricant off either. Once while consulting a drawing mill in regard to extending part life, I had one wire mill supervisor tell me "We don't make the best, we make the most." It was quite obvious.

Burn back can result from a trimmer pot that needs adjustment. Especially if you experience it upon starting the arc. It can also be an indication of incorrect arc voltage. Arc length effects that for one thing. Probably should suspect drive line components first. Like T-bone said, be sure everything is lined up with the drive rolls. I've had brand new Miller machines that we had to work on right out of the box.

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T_Bone

02-23-2001 21:15:43




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 Re: tightening drive roller in reply to Steve, 02-23-2001 19:51:57  
Hi Steve, I tighten the drive roller to where if I hold the wire it will slip with medium finger pressure. Any tighter and the wire will ball on the roller. This setting has no effect on how fast the tip wears only the amount of wire fed determines tip life. Since your not using the machine much, you might consider putting a cloth cover over the wire spool when not in use.

Also check to see if the liner feed tip is set to about .030 to the drive roller face. See if you take the pressure roller off if you can pull wire from the gun end easy. If not pull wire thru the liner feeling the wire for waves and if the wire is kinked, replace the liner.

T_Bone

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