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rodgernbama

02-21-2006 19:11:52




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I'm thinking about buying a drill press to go in my shop for hobbies and around the home projects.
What are the pro's and con's of a floor model versus a bench top? Also I'm told that I will need a slow speed of around 200rpm for 1/4" mild steel.




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igloo

02-25-2006 18:06:52




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 Re: drill press in reply to rodgernbama, 02-21-2006 19:11:52  
I have a small bridgeport mill for sale, it runs off 110 volts, makes the most awsome drill press you will ever use. Speeds down to 80 rpm, plus has many other uses.



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Itchy

02-22-2006 20:16:09




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 Re: drill press in reply to rodgernbama, 02-21-2006 19:11:52  
I did not go to the auction for a drill press but came home with a Rockwell/delta with the dial type speed changer..one pullley gets larger and the other gets smaller as you turn the dial. It goes from 300-2500 or more rpms by turning the dial. I had never saw one like this before... so as they say "set the satchel down buy it".



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MikeCatthemuseum

02-22-2006 19:43:17




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 Re: drill press in reply to rodgernbama, 02-21-2006 19:11:52  
Unless you are going to spend $4000 on an Arboga or Clausing press, go down to HF and take your pick. The Delta, Jet, Wilton, Powermatic, Grizzly, Enco, MSC, Birmingham, whatever... is the same Chinese made machine in different colors with different paint. If you do not believe me, go compare them for yourself. I recently learned this the hard way when I bought an $1100 Wilton that turned out to be identical to the red $700 HF model. HF was actually nicer and had more features.

Bad points on Chinese presses... Belts usually go within a month. Chinese chucks are terrible, they will ruin your drill shanks as they will spin easily. Arbors on these chucks are usually not very accurate, either. Motors are very suspect (brand new Wilton starter hangs up in run position). Columns are pretty small and flexible if you ge into large holes. Worst part is probably the rack for raising the table. These are so flimsy and of such lousy material that they bow out from the column even without a vise on the table. They usually also bind up when trying to rotate the table around the column with any weight on it. T-slots are usually 1/2".. makes your Bridgeport clamp kit useless.

Good points on Chinese presses. They are cheap. That's about it.

Given the choice, I would wait until a good quality American press comes up used for $200-300 and invest in new bearings. You will end up with a little less in the press and it will outlive you.

As for speeds, 1/2" drill bit should turn about 500rpm in mild steel. If the press has less than about 1hp, it will probably not pull a 1/2" bit this fast without stalling.

Bench or floor, Bench model will be a little stiffer as the column will be shorter. Less room under the spindle of the bench model and it takes up bench space. I bought an old $10 yard-sale special heavy metal office desk to use with my bench model DP.

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Kendall

02-22-2006 13:06:53




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 Re: drill press in reply to rodgernbama, 02-21-2006 19:11:52  
I have a nice Delta bench top that looks like some of their nice floor models with a shorter post. Its a Delta DP350 Shopmaster if you want to do some googling. Only thing about this one is you need T bolts to fasten your vice down with. The deck has T slots and a oil drain back hole, more suited for metal work but works for all my needs. I picked this one because it had a long stroke and the speed dial on the front so you dont have to do any belt/pully jumping. The stroke is a bit over 3 inches. That's one thing you should look for. Seems the nicer ones have a longer stroke. If you decide on a bench model, get at least a 12" model. Forget the 8 and 10 inch models.
As far as speed goes, you adjust your speed for the size of the bit, not the thickness of the metal you're drilling. 350rpm for a 1 inch bit, 600rpm for 1/2 inch bit, 1000rpm for 1/4 bit, etc. Lubricate the bit when drilling 1/8inch or thicker metal.

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john d

02-22-2006 08:53:41




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 Re: drill press in reply to rodgernbama, 02-21-2006 19:11:52  
If you get a benchtop drill press, you may need to bolt it to the bench to keep it where you want it while drilling.

Get one that has a good speed range, including low speeds. A tilt-table is really nice, but not essential most of the time.

Variable speed drill presses have not been a good experience for me.



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Carol Martin

02-22-2006 06:09:02




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 Re: drill press in reply to rodgernbama, 02-21-2006 19:11:52  
I have just one suggestion on drill presses.. rig it up with a foot switch. I know you are supposed to clamp everything to the table (HA) not always practical. even with it clamped having both hands free is really nice.. I would not be without mine..



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TimV

02-21-2006 20:31:03




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 Re: drill press in reply to rodgernbama, 02-21-2006 19:11:52  
Rodger: There"s nothing wrong with a benchtop per se, and a good benchtop is better than a poor floor model. The only real difference is the ability to drill taller workpieces with the floor model by lowering the table. With that said, many companies sell the benchtop units as a cheap "homeowner" model, and they are not built as well as a comparable floor model. With reference to the speed you"ll need, this is as much a function of the diameter of the bit you plan on using as it is the material you"ll be drilling. Even then, most of the lower-end models will not get near 200 RPM. The Internet is littered with tables on drill speed vs. material vs. drill diameter--download one, print it out, and put it by the drill--it"s an invaluable reference. I"ve got a $150 China-made floor model and it"s geared (or "pullied", if that"s a word!) too high for optimal drilling with any bit over about 1/2". Granted that 1/2" is the chuck size, and so is nominally the largest bit the drill is meant to handle, but I drill up to 1" with some regularity using reduced-shank bits. When drilling larger holes than the press will handle comfortably, I have to start small and work my way up--1/2", 3/4", 1" or something similar. Once I learned its limitations, I"ve got many times the $150 I paid in work back from the press.

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bil b v

02-22-2006 07:14:55




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 Re: drill press in reply to TimV, 02-21-2006 20:31:03  

tim... i have a bench top drill press and when i want to drill a tall project i turn the top 90* to the base pull the drill press to the edge of the bench and clamp it to the bench with the base parell to the bench . now i can drill over the edge of the bench and use the floor as the base . block up as needed ..... ..... i also needed a slow speed for some large holes . i took the motor off and welded up an adapter for my 1/2 " electric drill chucked a piece of 1/2 " shaft with a pulley on it. next i bolted the drill and adapter where the motor was . now i have low speed and high torque drill press for the big bits . the adapter is off now and stored for future use.

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TimV

02-22-2006 08:13:16




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 Re: drill press in reply to bil b v, 02-22-2006 07:14:55  
Bill: Good point--you can adapt many of the benchtop models to drill larger workpieces, but I was speaking generically. Some of the cheaper models do not allow you to turn the column and/or table so you're stuck without an easy option for doing larger pieces. A buddy picked up a similar press to mine in a junkyard for $10.00 with no motor. I installed a scrounged 3/4 horse motor, fabbed a belt tightening system, and redid the pully system to reduce his speed to around 100 RPM at the low end. For a total of around $50, he now has a perfectly servicible drill press capable of doing 1" holes on the first pass. I've also seen people set up the China-made floor presses with a jackshaft and an additional gear or pulley reduction to achieve the same results. I could do the same with mine, but for the rare occasions I have lots of large holes to drill, I just do them at work on our gear-drive automatic-feed press.

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old

02-21-2006 19:19:03




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 Re: drill press in reply to rodgernbama, 02-21-2006 19:11:52  
I have had both types and the floor type is hands down the better choice. I have a 16 speed floor type right now, cheap brand but does me well. I have never used any other speed the the low speed. I do a lot of metal drilling.



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