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Zach1216

02-19-2006 20:33:02




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does anyone know if needle scalers work good or if they are better than sandblastingor if you need to replace parts on them frequently. Thanks in advance




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720lyle

02-20-2006 07:00:11




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Zach1216, 02-19-2006 20:33:02  
Is the one at harbor freight worth buying?



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Ralph - Ohio

02-20-2006 08:22:17




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to 720lyle, 02-20-2006 07:00:11  
I'm happy with the one from Harbor Freight that fits on the front of an air hammer. I'm not familiar with any others but this one works for me for occasional use.



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TimV

02-20-2006 09:09:14




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Ralph - Ohio, 02-20-2006 08:22:17  
I've got the same one, and it was $15.00 or so well spent. I put it on a spare air hammer I had laying around, and it's paid for itself many times over. I last used it to clean the frame on my '56 Chevy truck, and it got off the majority of 50 years of scale, rust, dirt, and grease with much less effort than most methods. I also used it to clean out the barrel of a mortar mixer I was given--a previous owner had let a batch of mortar harden in the barrel and I was able to get out the vast majority in less than an hour, thus rendering the mixer usable again.

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MikeCatthemuseum

02-19-2006 22:51:02




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Zach1216, 02-19-2006 20:33:02  
I use an I/R needle scaler exclusively when stripping machine tools. The tools I have scaled are larger than many typical small farm tractors.

Sandblasting inevitably gets grit in everything. If you cannot take every single piece and wash it by hand in soapy water, then dry it carefully with rags and continue until a white paper towel shows no discoloration, you will have grit in your work.

The needle scaler is actually as fast or faster an a typical home-shop sandblaster, uses less air and doesn't leave 1000lbs of sand in the yard. The scaler may fling paint flakes all over the place, but I'd rather sweep up paint chips than deal with sand. You can work indoors also.

One thing I learned is NOT to run the scaler at extremely high air pressures. High pressure doesn't make the thing work any better than 50psi. It just beats you to death, makes more noise, and works the compressor harder.

You will also need a set of good earplugs. It's like a miniature jackhammer.

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Stan in Oly, WA

02-19-2006 22:23:23




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Zach1216, 02-19-2006 20:33:02  
Hi Zach,

I'm with Dave 100% on this one. They're great for removing slag when you're stick welding, if you can stand the racket. Here is a way I used a needle scaler recently that gives a different example of their capability. I used wire feed (MIG) to create surface textures I liked on several pieces of metal sculpture, but weld spatter left lots of little wart-like dots. A 4'knotted wire cup wheel on a 9" Milwaukee angle grinder could only make the spatter shinier (or break my arm if my attention wandered) and knocking the dots down one at a time would have taken days. A needle scaler beat the dots of spatter down until they were the same as gone, removed all traces of arc burn, and softened the appearance of the metal surface in a way that opened a whole range of possibilities for future sculpture. The down side was that it took me more than 2 hours to scale about 170 square inches, not counting the half hour it took me to drag a table and the equipment outside after I was asked to leave the building. (Noisy)

All the best, Stan

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ScottP

02-20-2006 08:48:32




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 02-19-2006 22:23:23  
Stan
Have you ever tried Welding Anti-Splatter?
It sure beats having to remove all the dew berries. It works like Pam.
Scott



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Stan in Oly, WA

02-20-2006 13:19:13




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to ScottP, 02-20-2006 08:48:32  
Hi Scott,

Thanks. Yes I have tried it and I like the way it works. In the case I'm talking about, however, the design I was producing consisted of adjoining spirals of weld metal. The spatter would land on previous passes. Stopping to apply anti-spatter spray was not a practical option---it would have turned a painfully slow process into an agonizingly slow one. I think of myself as patient, but I suspect that other people in the shop already feel that "nuts" is a more accurate description.

Stan

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Stan in Oly, WA

02-19-2006 22:27:47




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 02-19-2006 22:23:23  
Correction: A 4'cup wire wheel would be an arm breaker, all right. The one I used was 4"

Stan



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Slowpoke

02-21-2006 01:25:18




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 02-19-2006 22:27:47  
Still an arm breaker on a 9" grinder. On a 4" grinder, it's only a wrist breaker.



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Dave NE IA

02-19-2006 21:07:26




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Zach1216, 02-19-2006 20:33:02  
You will think that the invention of toilet paper was not the best thing invented after you use one. No it will not replace sandblasting, but for welding or cleaning up deep rust they are heaven sent. They are great for iregular surfaces, and 90 degree angles. Cleaning up the inside of rims before mounting new tires is a another ideal place for them. They will last along time, and if you already have a air chisel, the heads will interchange on most models, thus saves you some money. I think Northern has them the cheapest. Farm fleet stores and auto stores many times have them on hand. Dave NE IA

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BillD1

02-20-2006 06:14:15




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Dave NE IA , 02-19-2006 21:07:26  
One of the best buys I have made Great for cleaning up rusty and scaley rims



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RustyFarmall

02-19-2006 21:55:20




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Dave NE IA , 02-19-2006 21:07:26  
My 1940 M Farmall had a minimum of 18 layers of paint on it when I bought it. I tried several different methods of removing that paint with very little luck. Bought a needle scaler from Northern and had the paint knocked off right down to bare cast iron in one short afternoon. I wouldn't be without it.



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Jerry F

02-20-2006 08:10:42




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-19-2006 21:55:20  
How does it do on sheetmetal? will it leave tiny little dents?



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RustyFarmall

02-21-2006 14:07:50




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 Re: needle scaler in reply to Jerry F, 02-20-2006 08:10:42  
Does not seem to do any damage but is not real effective either. The sheet metal just isn't solid enough. I had to resort to a heat gun and putty knife.



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