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Splicing into Standing Seam roof.. Wind damage rep

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Truck

02-18-2006 11:39:15




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I am looking for any suggestions as to how to go about repairing my standing seam roof where a few sheets came off yesterday in the big winds we had. The wind peeled a triangular section of roofing off, along with the ridge cap on my hip roof style standing seam tin. What worries me is my roof boards are as old as the house and I doubt they will take nails anymore. (Too dry, and will split too easy) I assume I will need to disassemble the four sheets that came off from each other so I can reapply the clips which pulled out when the wind grabbed it. I guess all I have to do is unfold the seams to separate the sheets.

Any hints anyone has would be helpful. I can't hire the pros as there is almost no money to do this and no insurance either. I do have a shear and a bending brake I can use, and there is only a small foot square piece that really got crinkled, the rest was a clean lift from the roof.

I was thinking of predrilling, then using screws to attach the hold down clips.I can install the clips near but not exactly where they pulled out from. Good idea?

I'll be attacking this Monday if the wind ever dies down.
Thanks!

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Truck

02-20-2006 08:01:34




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 THanks guys! in reply to Truck, 02-18-2006 11:39:15  
I appreciate the advice guys. The roof WAS the best part of this little shack. It ruined my day to see what the wind had done.

Cleats were every two to three feet. Sounds like it wasn't quite enough.

We don't have any local folk repairing these roofs, they all are gettting replaced with the ribbed tin you can buy at Home Depot, along with visible screws holding them down. I doubt the replacements will have half the life of the old roof.

I will be adding a shed style addition to the back of the house eventually, and I want to use the same style of roof agian, so I'd really appreciate seing any pics you might have of the proper tools and their use.
Thanks again, the YT tool board is the greatest!

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Truck

02-20-2006 18:48:00




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 Found pics via Google in reply to Truck, 02-20-2006 08:01:34  
I found some excellent sites by Googling the words "Standing seam roofing tin tool" I even found a tool for sale.
Thanks again!
Truck



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T_Bone

02-21-2006 08:00:42




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 Re: Found pics via Google in reply to Truck, 02-20-2006 18:48:00  
Post a website on what you found :)

T_Bone



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T_Bone

02-20-2006 01:55:06




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 Re: Splicing into Standing Seam roof.. Wind damage in reply to Truck, 02-18-2006 11:39:15  
Hi Truck,

Just flip the sheets over with the standing rib facing down, then use a large screw driver in the "U" then beat the blade with a hammer. This will slide the SD tip right along the seam and open it up.

Use a 2x4 as a dolly block to smooth the seam back together once the sheet is installed. A wooden hammer will not leave any hammer marks on the seam if used correctly. I would run a screw into the seam about every 2ft since you don't have the correct tools. Use a pair of vice-grips to lightly clamp the seam together then screw.

I always use screws for installing the clips as they hold longer than nails and won't work out of the wood from the wind like nails will. Just ding the screw head with a hammer then use your screw gun to run the screw home. This keeps you from having to predrill the screw holes. You can also use self tapping screws with the drill point.

T_Bone

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VaTom

02-18-2006 15:38:54




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 Re: Splicing into Standing Seam roof.. Wind damage in reply to Truck, 02-18-2006 11:39:15  
This is not a traditional standing seam with the pans taken to the roof and seamed there?



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Truck

02-18-2006 15:55:29




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 Re: Splicing into Standing Seam roof.. Wind damage in reply to VaTom, 02-18-2006 15:38:54  
It seems to be the same traditional standing seam roof used around here about 50-100 years ago. It is made up of vertical panels about two feet wide, with an overlapped clinched seam which includes a nailing strip which is folded in the seam as well. My roof is a hip roof, made of four triangular sections, each having from 6-10 vertical seams. It is quite a small house. I might not be using the proper terminology, excuse my ignorance about these things. All I've had to do to it since I have owned it was to roof coat it every few years, and nail down a few loose spots in the valleys by the front porch roof.

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VaTom

02-19-2006 05:56:32




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 Re: Splicing into Standing Seam roof.. Wind damage in reply to Truck, 02-18-2006 15:55:29  
Mornin' Truck.

No problem with your terminology. While not an expert, I do know how it's installed. Did a good-sized copper one on an outbuilding here last spring by myself.

The pans go up one at a time. You'll have to separate each pan by unfolding the seams. Cleats are the L shaped pieces double-folded into the seam and nailed to your decking. They're installed on the upturned pan edge and nailed to the decking before the adjacent pan is placed there. Then you use seamer(s) to double-fold the seam.

Couple of choices. Today, most roofers use a hand operated seamer to fold, but that requires a special formed edge on the pan.

What I used and was typical in your time frame was to form pans with a simple lip on each side, one 1/4" higher than the other. Foot seamers, or "stompers" then go down the seam folding it over. Takes a matched pair. There's also a hand seamer, which is an iron you use with a wooden mallet which helps the foot seamers.

Much easier to do than describe. But the short answer is you need some tools and a tiny bit of advice using them. I borrowed my tools from a retired roofer, who also spent a short amount of time getting me started.

The seamers self-align so it's difficult to screw up. If you don't have enough purchase for your cleats in your roof decking, you'll obviously have to fix that first. I used 2 nails, toe-nailed, on each cleat. Live on a mountain here, very high winds, no problems with my nails holding in the tulip poplar I used for purlins.

The most common reason for cleat failure (the only things that hold the roof on) is not using enough of them. You needed more. Mine are about every 18". Cleats are made from scrap pan material and pre-formed on a simple bender, usually homemade.

Pretty sure I wouldn't try to reuse your pans, but use new material instead. Far easier and the metal isn't very expensive. If you can't find pedal seamers to borrow, a hand iron will do it, just a lot more work. New ones are $25 or so from a roofing supplier, plus you'll need a good wooden mallet. That's after you get the pan edges bent, usually using a pair of pan tongs with pins that align them, but as long as you get about the right lip, doesn't matter what you use.

Let me know if some photos would help you. Don't know as I have any from using the seamers, but I can show you a cleat and the bender. Also a drawing of how it all goes together if it isn't clear from your unfolding one of your seams.

Not complicated at all.

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