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CNESLER

02-12-2006 08:05:45




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Hey guys I'm finding my self needing a lathe more and more to repair my old tractors and equipment. I know nothing about a lathe but have worked as a mechanic most of my life, Any suggestions as to what would be a good starting
machine or books. Thanks
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chvet73

02-16-2006 07:52:58




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 Re: Metal Turning Lathe in reply to CNESLER, 02-12-2006 08:05:45  
Just bought a 1943 10" Logan off Ebay for $300. These older machines are available at good prices. There are lots of parts and accesories availble on there too. For what most of us do, that type of machine is great.
Now if I can only find a deal on a mill.



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benny2

02-15-2006 12:01:11




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 FS: NEW NOS ATLAS FLOOR MOUNTED ENGINE LATHE Re: M in reply to CNESLER, 02-12-2006 08:05:45  
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FS: NEW NEVER USED ATLAS FLOOR MOUNTED ENGINE LATHE
{NOTE THIS IS A PHOTO OF SAME MACHINE BUT NOT OF MINE}

I have new Floor Mounted engine Lathe 12x36 Standard 1-1/2x8 Timken spindle bearings Thrd spindle quick change gear box I think 224 different thread sizes,, power feed both cross and longitudinal. This machine is never been used and made in the USA I think 1972. Has never been set up at all.
It is a Atlas-Clausing that was sold Sears Commercial. Parts and service are still available new for this machine from Atlas-Clausing. I will sell it for
$5900. It is located near Spokane Wa and I have forklift loading. This is a very good machine for a tractor or automotive shop or model making and there ten of thousands of these machines being used daily in industry. This maybe your only chance to get a "New" one of these American Made lathes. Email if you are interested
Thanks Benny


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George Andreasen

02-14-2006 05:42:22




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 Re: Metal Turning Lathe in reply to CNESLER, 02-12-2006 08:05:45  
I just had to reply to this thread...I have owned no less than eight older lathes in the last ten years.....two South Bends, a Bradford and several other that I lost track of. Right now I have an 1897 Putnam sitting in my shop.The problem with a used lathe of ANY make is use and wear, thus making it less accurate. It will still turn out good work if you learn the limitations of the machine and work around them. One important point: DONT'T BUY A LATHE THAT IS TOO SMALL JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS "CUTE". It won't be long before you realize how limited your projects are because of the lathe itself. Besides, big American machines are cheaper because everyone wants a "hobby lathe". Great..they can have them...YOU get a decent sized machine. O.K.,now here's where everyone starts throwing rocks at me.....I finally purchased an import 13" x 40" lathe through Enco Tools. This was not an easy decision after all the warnings from everyone, but you know what? The quality was pretty good! Yes, there were some issues with minor adjustments (from shipping) but once set up it turns "dead nuts on". After years of accepting "so so" results with worn lathes, it was like a breath of fresh air. My last project was an aluminum piston made from bar stock. The finished product looked just like a factory part and the engine runs well.
It all boils down to what you want. If you are lucky enough to find an older machine with good ways and no abuse, have the seller put it through its paces, including threading. If the price suits you buy it, take it home, read books on how to use it, then make some chips. DO NOT be afraid of mistakes...you'll make plenty. Just do a better job each time and you can announce at the next party "Yeah, I'm a machinist....."

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Errin OH

02-14-2006 04:56:53




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 Re: Metal Turning Lathe in reply to CNESLER, 02-12-2006 08:05:45  
I'm with Mike, off brand american made pre WWII machine can be had for nothing. Just don't go to a dealer. Buy at an auction or from indiv. I picked up a Putnam 12x36 Belt drive with electric conversion for $85 (pat 1885, ? made). Included a box full of gears for threading. Got a 6' stand alone vertical mill for $300. But had to swap the 3ph motor for a single phase. Turned out many a part for my old farm stuff. Some of the newer stuff to. Mainly bushings and shafts but I have done parts for a NI rake, Ford Baler, Grain augers and various other odd ball implements.

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JV

02-13-2006 11:15:19




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 Re: Metal Turning Lathe in reply to CNESLER, 02-12-2006 08:05:45  
Hi there. I'd agree with the others in that buying a quality machine, even a much older one, is a better investment than a cheap chinese one. I regularly read both the Model Engineer and the Model Engineers Workshop and the number of articles on "modify your chink-o-lathe/mill/drill/whatever..." is truly unbelievable. Some people are essentially completely refurbing new machines to achieve any worthwhile results. Here in the UK Harrison and Colchester are regarded as excellent, hard wearing machines. Many are now entering the market at "bent washer" money due to the downsizing of many college workshops. I'd happily reccomend a Monarch though, Dad managed to acquire a 1938 one about 20 years ago for silly money. It's a cracker, it is really...
Have a look on YahooGroups for the Monarch lathe fanclub.
Cheers, JV.

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JMS/MN

02-12-2006 19:44:05




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 Re: Metal Turning Lathe in reply to CNESLER, 02-12-2006 08:05:45  
I've had a 1913 13 inch South Bend manual gear change for the last 30+ years of farming. Worth about $800 around here. Bought a '40s-50s era Sydney quick-change two years ago for $975, so will either sell the SB or display it at our thresher's club. American machines are cheap now, with the mfg going overseas. Good solid fifty year old machines can be had for few dollars, yet very solid performers. SB book, "How to run a Lathe", is a standard, along with others from Lindsay. Just taught my youngest son how to run the SB this weekend- he made new parts for the steering sector on his truck- fine job on an old machine. Buy American before they go to the smelter!

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MikeCatthemuseum

02-12-2006 09:29:17




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 Re: Metal Turning Lathe in reply to CNESLER, 02-12-2006 08:05:45  
Start by reading this:

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You also might want to pick up a copy of "How to Run a Lathe" from Lindsay Books. This was put out by South Bend and is literally everything you need to know for the first year or two.

As for the lathe buyer's market being terrible... not so. In fact we are living in an amazing time when you can buy a machine that cost in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars new for near scrap price in good operating condition. The bigger the lathe you buy, the better the deal.

First off, unless you can steal one from somebody who is living in the dark, don't even bother getting on the South Bend bandwagon. South Bends are good little lathes, but the money the 9 and 10" lathes are bringing is just silly these days. They are like 57 Chevy's and Piper Cubs. Not the best, just the most popular and therefore most expesnive. Atlas is right in there with them.

Logan makes a better lathe of this size in my opinion, and those will rarely go over a grand. A bit more will get you a Clausing, but those are popular with the gunsmiths, and thus a bit pricey.

If you have room for a 14" or larger floor model lathe, you are now back down to a grand or less in most cases. They are not popular for the home shop as they are generally too big for the basement shop adn have three-phase motors. Production shops are going to CNC and throwing them in the scrapyard to get them out of the way. I only gave $750 for my 18x72" L&S and it came with all the goodies. No, it wasn't pretty so I restored it. It was however, fully functional just as I found it.

If you are willing to drive up to Michigan or New England, you can get a 1970s Monarch, American, L&S, etc... 20x120" lathe usually for under $2000. These were $150,000 lathes when new. That's a buyer's market if I ever saw one.

Don't be afraid of VERY old machines. As long as they are not badly worn, even 19th century machines are great in the home shop. Machines this old will go for a few hundred bucks if you can find one. The low speeds of pre-WII machines means they are not very good with carbide, but HSS is typically cheaper and more useful in the home shop anyway. You can make special shaped profile tools and can re-sharpen them on your bench grinder without having to buy a diamond wheel. If you can build a Winchester with it, it's good enough for me.

I have a 9x20 Jet, so you guys know where I am coming from. Its only saving grace is that it cuts metric threads. If not for that,I would have sold it and kept a beat up 1937 South Bend 9" that I passed to a friend. The South Bend was ten times the machine the Jet is. The Chinese machines are junk, plain and simple.

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bjr

02-12-2006 09:00:52




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 I'm on the same thing? in reply to CNESLER, 02-12-2006 08:05:45  
Will look forward to what the responses are? I've done a little research. It looks like Grizzly.com for me. The're china, but I'm poor and the used market is terrble if you're a buyer. There's a site called minilathe that's for beginners like me on a budget. I just want to make fairly crude spacers and bushings for the implements, no close tolerence stuff. Let us know what your research comes up with. bjr

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TimV

02-12-2006 10:38:29




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 Re: I'm on the same thing? in reply to bjr, 02-12-2006 09:00:52  
If your anticpated work sizes are within the range of the mini-lathes, they will do spacers and bushings quite well. I've done dozens of them on mine for my old equipment, and it's rare that you need a spacer or bushing larger than 7" x 14". Most are closer to an inch or two, and these are easy to do on the mini-lathe. As far as tolerances, they're capable of holding a few thousandths with care (taking out backlash before cutting, etc.) which is plenty close enough for most work. In many cases, you'll use a reamer to finish the ID anyway, in which case the determining factor is the quality of the reamer, not the lathe.

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Slowpoke

02-12-2006 10:14:19




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 Re: I'm on the same thing? in reply to bjr, 02-12-2006 09:00:52  
No close tolerance stuff today. Maybe tomorrow. Keep looking for a good buy on an older American lathe. You'll get your money back when you're done with it. Chinese castings can be very poor quality.



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