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Jack-Iowa

02-11-2006 11:28:18




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I need to be able to weld up 3/8 steel . I only have 100 amp electric service . Is there a welder out there that I can get to do this?
I can set up a 220 outlet or plug directly into circuit box.
Am I out of luck or is it possible?
thanks




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chvet73

02-16-2006 08:09:50




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
Buy a 200 amp machine. I have a Hobart 175. Several people told me to go bigger but I just didn't have the money. My 175 is a great machine but I wish I had gone bigger. By the way my Lincoln buzz box has never been used since I bought the mig.



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Wayne H

02-15-2006 18:45:13




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
I bought a Miller 210 last year. I have not touched my Lincoln AC-DC buzz box since... It is truly a great machine and makes welding easy.

Wayne



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Not much help, but

02-14-2006 00:04:07




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
I have a 100 amp service and am using a 240 amp mig on 230 volts with a 40 amp breaker. The breaker supplies the three prong, 50A welder receptical thru a power distribution block. I've welded 5/8x2" bar using a 50' extension cord and never had the breaker open. Probably using 200 amps.
Slowpoke



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buickanddeere

02-14-2006 16:16:43




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Not much help, but, 02-14-2006 00:04:07  
Probably 25 to 35 amps flowing in the 240V circuit depending on the power factor.



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Slowpoke

02-14-2006 23:11:11




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to buickanddeere, 02-14-2006 16:16:43  
I should have said, 200 amps at the welder. Just a guess.



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Pitalplace

02-13-2006 16:40:56




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
I bought a Miller 210 a year ago. I checked out the welding forums at Hobart and Miller web sites and other sites like shopfloortalk.com and found that this is by far the most recommended welder. I love mine, hadn't welded in 20 years and started out like I had't quite



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Pitalplace

02-13-2006 16:35:53




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
I bought a Miller 21 from www.cyberweld a year ago. Awsome, very easy learning curve, and very good support. Check out millerwelds.com they have a forum. Other welding forum sites can be found if you google, thats what I did and seems the most favorite welder is the millermatic 210.



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buickanddeere

02-12-2006 03:11:34




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
I used to weld at 120 amps/30 volts on a 100amp 240V hydro service while the house was drawing it's electrical loads, well pump, hot water heater, barn ventilation fans, shop lights etc. Spend a few extra bucks and get a stick machine that can also do DC and can later have mig or tig added to it. You will never regret the choice. Take a few night school welding courses. You will save time & $$$ instead of ruining projects.

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Michael_E_Tx

02-11-2006 18:29:13




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
Hi Jack. You don"t say what kind of a welder you are interested in. If a stick welder, I have no knowledge or advise. I am planning on purchasing a Millermatic 210, which is a mig welder that will weld 3/8 quite well. According to many folks on the welding forums, this machine will work very well on a 30 amp breaker.

Michael



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NC Wayne

02-11-2006 18:03:28




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
If your looking for a new machine an dodn't mind spending the money, Miller has some new inverter welders that are no larger than a suitcase. They will plug into pretty much any voltage and weld anything you want weld. Good luck



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Billy NY

02-12-2006 19:38:54




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to NC Wayne, 02-11-2006 18:03:28  
I bought one of Miller's, small units, I mean 1/2 the size of a suitcase, cost $900.00, for an Ironworker to use on very detail orientated type project we were working on in '03. Being on the specialty subcontracting side of the fence on this venue, and just one of several complicated projects we were contracted to do, I was the company's senior project manager, and with that responsibility comes finding solutions to problems and or find more efficient ways to get things done to maintain a projects labor budget and or get ahead of the game further as you neve know when you will get snagged on something later. Being a field guy, and spending the majority of my time in the field whenever possible, (and these jobs kept me there daily they were so complex ) also to some of the companies partners dislike ( aaah, whatta they know ? LOL ! ). I had to find a solution for placing a weld on 2" x 2" 1/4" thick washers, to secure them in place, they were part of structural connections for very large ( 4000 lb ea. ) window units we set with a crane. There were a lot of connections and we used this structural connection typically on a lot of our jobs. Buzz boxes are great, but when your running around in high rise building's it's either got to be centrally located and you have to run your cables through the floors, or you need a power source nearby, with other trades drawing power all day, tripping breakers causes delays etc. With all the obstructions and nonsense making sure there was a pigtail for a larger welder, something smaller made more sense, the welds were 1" long. This little Miller unit would allow you to use an 1/8" 7018 electrode, get good penetration on mild A-36 1/4" steel, I tried it out on the job myself, it made a nice strong weld, the duty cycle worked out ok, because the welds were max. 1" long and just 2 per connection. No excuse for a guy not to be productive, he could plug into a 30 amp circuit on a heavy lead and work floor to floor without delay. This unit had a strap, so you can carry it around with you as you work. I just figure I would mention it here, I was impressed, you are not going to make long passes with this welder, we had the heat turned up close to max. ( can't recall the model now ) but anything that could get that kind of penetration and be so small, plug into a 30 amp circuit, was really amazing I thought. It was a labor saving device, being so easy to use, had my foreman give the task to a senior guy, an easy job. All the welds passed inspection, really paid for itself.

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NC Wayne

02-12-2006 20:17:09




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Billy NY, 02-12-2006 19:38:54  
Hey Billy, check out some of Millers newer suitcase sized inverter machines. They've equipped them with "smart" technology now as well as upped the output. You can plug them into either single or three phase and it senses the voltage and phase and sets itself up for it automatically. I remember looking at one that had an output of 400 amps. I don't remember what the duty cycle was but for a machine that size 400 amps at any duty cycle is impressive.

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Billy NY

02-13-2006 08:14:22




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to NC Wayne, 02-12-2006 20:17:09  
That is impressive, still a rank ameteur as far as welding is concerned, but can hold my own now on most equipment repairs I need to do and not be embarassed to show someone LOL !, so having some knowledge helps, in construction it is a good trade to learn about, including latest and greatest on equipment. That little one I bought, came in a case like a power tool and was a perfect choice for the job. I'll have to check the latest out when I get my tanks filled at the welding supply house, duty cycle is probably short but there must be a market for these, 400 amps out of of little box, amazing.

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Jack-Iowa

02-11-2006 14:56:45




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
Thanks!



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Coloken

02-11-2006 13:07:24




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
I am going to assume tha you are new and green,if I am wrong, I apologise. Welders tranform 220 volt down to about 30 or 40 volts. this increases the amp output. A 180 amp welder will only draw about 40 amps maximum at 220 volts. I have a nice 130 amp DC welder that I run on 30 amp breakers (220 volts)all the time. So put in a standard 50 amp welder plug-in from your circuit box and be happy. This can run welders up to maybe 200 amp size.

Stay away from the 110 volt welders unless you have a real reason for one. Yes, I have one and it is OK some place and worthless other places.

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sjh

02-11-2006 13:02:08




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
I have a 50 amp service and I weld with a lincon buzz box. It uses a 40 amp breaker. Have never blue the breaker, but have shut the welder down due to over heating(duty cycle).



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old

02-11-2006 13:01:43




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
Good old lincoln buzz box uses 220 but only need a 50 amp breacker to run it. 3/8 is getting big enough that you would be better off with a stick welder then a mig set up, unless you want to spend $1000 on a big mig unit that is. A lincoln buzz box costs around $250-350 new and used can be had for around $100-150



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jpuleo

02-11-2006 12:02:37




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 Re: what can I weld in reply to Jack-Iowa, 02-11-2006 11:28:18  
You will need to run that 220 plug. But 100a service is plenty. 110v welders mig welders wont do it in one pass, but in most cases some beveling and extra effort will allow you to get by with a 110v machine in a pinch.



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