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Erik OK

02-09-2006 18:46:29




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Which is more useful to have around the shop, A-frame with chain hoist or hydraulic cherry picker? I have all the materials for the A-frame but will have to purchase the chain hoist, so the cost will be approximately equal. Also if using chain hoist is a trolley worth the extra cost?




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Catskill Pete

02-10-2006 13:43:19




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
Another factor to keep in mind with the A frame is the ceiling height if you are using it in the shop. By the time you mount a trolley and chain hoist you will have lost a minimum of 2 feet of lifting space.



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Mike M

02-10-2006 06:34:00




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
I would say it is really dependant on the job at hand. I have both and have used them both at the same time on some jobs.

Today there are really alot of choices on cherry pickers. Many low cost fold up models make them a better than ever choice. Very portable too. Not much invested and take up little floor space. Better to have a cheap small one than none at all.



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RickL

02-10-2006 05:50:24




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
I vote cherry picker,have had one since early seventies and boy has it been used,its large one you can even buy today I find. Anyway need cement floor and MUST have LARGE dual casters to really work nice. Mine has a electric winch on it now as I have locked the original cylinder in th emax lift position and use the winch now. I need to be able to control load a t point of asssembly by myself. I put large and small farm equipment together.The overhead crane are nice but you are very limited to space and versatility. for the overhead crane stuff I use a battery powered forklift (WAlkie ) handiest thing you can have in a shop. They both have there place but my shop as of yet has no overhead hoist. That walkie is really the ticket in my eyes.

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Dave NE IA

02-10-2006 03:53:03




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
Again no right or wrong, but perhaps you could cement in a swivel post or L shaped with a trolley / chain hoist. Depends on what you will be using it for and ceiling clearance-watch out near overhead doors. Myself and many guys only use the first space near the door, as the little wife hasen't had time to clean the shop. A (L) shaped takes no floor space. Old trailer house axles can be purchased for little or scrap prices. Dave NE IA

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JMS/MN

02-09-2006 20:53:11




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
Ideally, you want something to move back and forth, and side to side. A-frame with a trolley that moves side to side does that. Cherry picker can do the same if it has swivel wheels. But the A-frame with trolley does it easier.



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CRUSADER

02-09-2006 20:14:36




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
Since your asking for opinions...I don't think that you will get an answer that is either right or wrong. Just what everyone thinks. The ultimate would be both. Personally, I like a chain hoist with the trolley for pulling engines and a lot of other things. That's what I started out with, and have learned to use a lot more than a cherry picker. However, the cherry picker you will find is very handy and useful for a lot of things. Each is good and has their pros and cons over the other. When I had my backyard building put up, I had them put in a rail for a hoist. If/when I am able to find a trolley that will work on that odd sized I-beam rail it will have one. For the cost of the rail and having it put in I probably should have bought the cherry picker though. If you get the cherry picker I would suggest getting one that will fold up and take less space when not in use. Also get one with the heavier and larger casters. They are handy but can be a bear to manouver when they have a heavy load on them. Just my opinion, and hope to be able to someday have both.

Jim

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old

02-09-2006 19:39:57




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
My self I only have the chain hoist and its in my shop and doesn't move some times I wish I had a trolley but then I would also have to hang another I-Beam for it. If I need to move something I use a loader on a tractor. But I also don't have cement floors either so the cherry picker wouldn't do me much good any how.



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NC Wayne

02-09-2006 19:08:26




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
I'd have to say it depended on what you were working on. If you were working on older cars and wanted to pull an engine without taking the hood off then a cherry picker would be the obvious choice. However if your working on tractors you can pick just about everything on then straight up and the parts all tend to be heavier so an A-frame with a chain hoist would work better. Plus if you wanted to pull a car engine, etc all you have to do is take out a few more bolts and remove the hood. As for having a trolley on your A-frame it would be a good thing to have. If you build your frame with casters to make it mobile that gives you a front to rear movement good for pulling engines, etc. With a trolley you also have a side to side in case you want to pull the tractor under it and pick something, like a tire, that would be off center of the frame. Each tool has it's own uses but in my opinion the A-frame has way more potential than a cherry picker.

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John Niolon

02-09-2006 19:03:02




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Erik OK, 02-09-2006 18:46:29  
Eric,

I have both... and I've used my cherry picker much more often... of course there's engine work.. but I've used it to remove the cab from my project truck at least three times. I added all terrain wheels (10" H.F. casters on shafts that stick into the orig cherry picker legs..so I can pull it with my tractor... it will roll around the yard and have used it to pull fence posts. it's turned over trailers for welding.. hoisted welders off trailers (before the a-frame)... held up 'stuff' that needed holding... very versatile... wish it folded but it don't.
the only drawback ??? it takes up about 30 sq ft of floor space. But I've added a plywood deck between the legs and when not in use for 'pickin' it holds edgers and yard stuff that would also be takin up floor space...

the only thing I use the A-frame for us lifting material off my trailer when I bring it home... generators 1500#, welder 800# and a truck load of square tubing ..tons...when loaded it's a bear to maneuver on dirt... but less agrivating on concrete....recently had to widen the aframe so it would completely straddle the trailer and it's even better...

the trolley is a nice addition if you can get it cheap... but I've used mine for years with a chain slung over the I-beam or using the welded on hook under the beam...My problem with it is that it's 8' wide and 8'high... it's strickly a 'yard' tool.. the cherry picker works nicely inside the shop also..

If I only had money/time/material for one...I'd vote on the cherry picker

later,
John

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Ralph, Ohio

02-10-2006 05:32:33




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to John Niolon, 02-09-2006 19:03:02  
I'd like to see the added wheels too. I do some work at my Church cemetery and have used an engine hoist to pick up stones so they can be reset or levelled. Those little casters don't work very well in the grass!



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Slowpoke

02-09-2006 22:50:31




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to John Niolon, 02-09-2006 19:03:02  
John,

Any chance of you posting a picture of how you mounted the HF 10" casters on the cherry picker?

Thanks



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john niolon

02-10-2006 14:14:08




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Slowpoke, 02-09-2006 22:50:31  
I'm out of town till Tuesday... but I'll post a pic when I return... it's on my home computer

john



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Slowpoke

02-10-2006 16:11:21




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to john niolon, 02-10-2006 14:14:08  
Thanks!!!



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John Niolon

02-14-2006 12:36:57




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to Slowpoke, 02-10-2006 16:11:21  
third party image

better late than never... I couldn't find my good pics so I just went to the shed and snapped a few... you can see I just found some square tubing 2" that fit in the legs of the cherry picker.. welded a nut on the leg with a bolt to hold new wheels in place. A flat plate to hold the wheel on the tubing and there you go... all terrain cherry picker..

john

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John Niolon

02-14-2006 12:40:10




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to John Niolon, 02-14-2006 12:36:57  
I'll try again

can't seem to get pics to post... here's the link

Link

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John Niolon

02-15-2006 17:57:49




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to John Niolon, 02-14-2006 12:40:10  
hmmmm ???? works for me

can you tell me how to post pics here... I tried putting that link in the Optional image url box but all it returned is a blank box with the dreaded X in it...

help ???
j


let me try emailing you the link ???



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Slowpoke

02-15-2006 00:47:33




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 Re: engine hoist question in reply to John Niolon, 02-14-2006 12:40:10  
I went to the link but I can't seem to get anything but the Ford Truck logo. The rest of the page is blank.



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