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GregCO

01-31-2006 09:41:46




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I was reading the thread below and you guys have me very concerned about my old compressor tank. It is an old Westinghouse compressor on an 80 gallon vertical tank. The tag on the tank is dated 1955. I was under the impression that if it went bad it would rust through and begin leaking and that would be the end of it. Now I am thinking I may have a bigger concern on my hands. This unit does not get used all that hard any more but still often. I have the pressure shut off set at 150 psi where it has been set for the last 20 years.

Anyway, should I be looking at dumping this tank and mounting the compressor on a new one? Can it be checked out and deemed safe to use? Where this thing is located it would do some pretty serious damage if it ruptured.

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Greg

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woodbutcher

02-03-2006 08:25:42




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 Re: Another compressor tank question in reply to GregCO, 01-31-2006 09:41:46  
I used a 20 gal. horizontal tank compressor for 30+ years, and drained it only occasionally. I am fairly sure the tank is pitted inside. When I tap the bottom with a metal tool, it makes a dull sound. I am putting this tank out of service for good. I bought a stationary vertical tank compressor. It seems to have a much better way to drain the tank and it is thicker at the bottom, so rust shouldn't hurt it for a long time.

Butch

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thejdman01

01-31-2006 16:57:21




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 Re: Another compressor tank question in reply to GregCO, 01-31-2006 09:41:46  
The boss at work swears by draining the tank and banging on it with a hammer, supposed better then nothing but not hte best. The hammer has founda few weak spots. The best is to get it tested, tank may be ok if it was kept drained and relativly dry inside



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Rod (NH)

01-31-2006 15:52:20




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 Re: Another compressor tank question in reply to GregCO, 01-31-2006 09:41:46  
Hi Greg,

Many people will tell you all that will happen is the tank will begin leaking. No one, I repeat - no one, can predict with any certainty that such a benign failure would occur. Anyone who does tell you such is doing you a servere disservice, even if all he has personally experienced is just a leak. He was lucky indeed. The risk is real that a catastophic explosion can occur because of the vast amout of stored energy in a compressible fluid, in this case air. The personal observations of those who responded to the previous thread prove this to be true. That is a reason why air storage tanks have to be manufactured per the ASME Code by just about all state or local laws. In commercial applications, those same state laws also usually require an annual safety inspection and certification process by an "authorized inpsector", usually a specialized employee of a state safety agency or an insurance company. In most cases, it is illegal to operate an air storage tank, of the size and pressure you are talking, by a commercial business without an annual, signed safety certificate by such an inspector. That inspector may inspect the interior of the tank for deterioration with a borescope or may, at his discretion, require a hydrostatic pressure test be conducted at the owners expense, prior to issuing a safety operating certificate. These types of safety requirements for manufacture and continuing in-service inspections and certifications would not be necessary if all that could be expected was a routine leak from a tank. The requirements were developed over many years of industry experience with failures where significant property damage and deaths have occurred due to corrosion in old tanks used for compressible fluids such as air.

The best way to prove the current safety of your older tank is by hydrostatic pressure testing as stated elsewhere. A tank that size should have been manufactured to ASME Code criteria, even in 1955. There should be an ASME plate tackwelded to the tank somewhere. It may even be the same tag that you got the date from. On that plate should be the ASME cloverleaf symbol and the letters MAWP, among other things. MAWP stands for "Maximum Allowable Working Pressure". Stamped adjacent to the MAWP lettering should be a psig numerical rating. For a typical storage tank of that size used with a two stage air compressor, a MAWP rating would likely be 200 psig. There should also be a relief valve somewhere on the tank/compressor assembly. A two stage compressor usually has a maximum shutoff pressure of 175 psig so the relief (safety) valve setting would be a little higher than that, perhaps 185 psig. It would absolutely have to be equal or less than the MAWP stated on the ASME plate. Since you have been using yours at a shutoff of 150 psig, it obviously is higher than that.

Assuming your tank was manufactured per the ASME Code and labeled with an as-new MAWP, you would want to pressurize the tank, using water as the medium, to a pressure of 1.5 times that MAWP. If it happened to be the 200 psig typical MAWP, you'd pressurize the tank to 300 psig. This is a safe practice as long as there is no appreciable amount of air remaining in the tank during the testing. The worst that could happen is that you might get a little wet should a failure occur. You'll have to cobble together some means to slowly pressurize the tank to that pressure. A hydraulic handpump comes to mind, provided a hydraulic reservoir of sufficent capacity is available. The tank will expand as the pressure goes up so additional fluid - either water or oil - will be needed. Perhaps another quart or so. Use a known good pressure gage of about 400 psig capacity and make sure the tank is initially filled "to the brim" with water. Inspect the tank carefully while under pressure to observe any indication of leakage, failure or obvious distortion.

The above is kind of a pain to do but is an excellent safety precaution to take where you cannot visually observe the interior condition of an old tank. If you had access to a borescope, you could utilize the tank discharge opening and visually inspect the interior bottom area of the tank for general condition, pitting etc. Not knowing how much pitting is safe however, would suggest a pressure test anyway to verify safety. I have an old (35 years) 20 gal tank/compressor combination that I have not used in several years. If I ever have the desire to put that unit back in service, I will definitely put my mind to ease by testing the tank as noted above.

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Charles (in GA)

01-31-2006 19:18:22




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 Re: Another compressor tank question in reply to Rod (NH), 01-31-2006 15:52:20  
Don't know about the rest of the world, but in Georgia, that I know of, there are no recurring or continuing requirements to inspect or test air compressor tanks at businesses such as garages and tire shops, etc. It simply isn't done here.

Indeed, some kind of inspection should be ocassionally done, tanks rust inside, simply put. Drain them all you want, they rust, they don't have any protective coating, just bare metal.

Charles

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Glen in TX

01-31-2006 15:21:47




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 Re: Another compressor tank question in reply to GregCO, 01-31-2006 09:41:46  
If it has the inspection plugs and tag already you might can get it tested someplace. They might not pass it or even want to test it? I would ask before taking it and having to pay. I had old 30 gal. air tank on small compressor probably 50 years old that went bad and felt lucky I caught when I did. Just heard a hissing sound in barn where I had it and discovered a pin hole in bottom of tank. It was thin and rusted and cracking at bottom. It never had a drain hole at bottom but a suction tube drain connected to a fitting at tank end and the suction tube had fell off in tank a while back so couldn't get moisture all out. Found another tank at military surplus yard and drilled and cut holes in old one and marking it as scrap, took tag off and took to scrap metal place. Military surplus contractors get compressors with bad pumps or motors but with good tanks yet and reasonable prices. Graingers and others sell new tanks.
www.grainger.com
www.surpluscenter.com

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Bob

01-31-2006 10:11:59




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 Re: Another compressor tank question in reply to GregCO, 01-31-2006 09:41:46  
Did you see the post in the other thread about hydrostatic testing?



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Harley

02-01-2006 08:43:34




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 Re: Another compressor tank question in reply to Bob, 01-31-2006 10:11:59  
I drain the moisture from mine after every use when I shut it off, and I have a "sediment pipe" out the bottom that is lower and comes out to the side where I can reach the petcock from the outside of the tank, and I get a couple of tablespoons of water out each time. Most of the water settles into the small pipe leading to the valve, and this gets drained off and I haven't had any problems with the pressure set at 150lbs. Harley

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