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I hate auto trannys

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Rich Iowa

01-30-2006 13:57:55




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Some of you may remember I have auto trans that "shutters" when it got into OD. I changed the ATF two weekends ago, and it started acting up again this past week. It wasn"t real noticeable at first, but today I can definately tell changing the fluids isn"t going to cut it. Since I"m not skilled in the art of transmission repair, I"m gonna have to bite the bullet, and have a shop look at it. Hopefully it"s just a sensor that"s going bad. But if worse comes to worse, I guess I might be getting a new torque converter. What is the ballpark cost for a new converter? Do the part stores offer rebuilt/reman. converters? Would it be worth it to get a HD converter? Presently, I don"t haul anything huge, but you never know what might come along. By the way the truck is stock, no chips, extra turbos, etc. on this truck. All I can say is...my next truck WILL be a manual!!!

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chvet73

02-02-2006 09:01:08




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
I have 4 vehicles, all stick. That includes the wife.
I have never had to rebuild one yet. We can get at least 80,000 out of a clutch.
The sad part is the car companies are offering fewer sticks.
Every person I know has had to poor at least $4000 into their automatic at some point.
Sticks cost much less to maintain and are ten times as fun to drive.
Besides automatics are for grannies.

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Cliff Neubauer

01-31-2006 15:34:26




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
Give the guys at Goerend Brothers transmissions in St. Lucas a call. They are one of the top transmission shops in the country and they build their own torque converters. Alot of the truck pullers use their converters plus they are in the middle of farm country so their stuff is made for hard use.

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JT

01-31-2006 13:11:29




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
Rich,
We have a Ford F150 we pull trailer with all the time and it does the same thing. A friend owns a tranny shop, he drain fluids, put in a silicone additive of some sort, problem went away. truck had about 90,000 on it then, now has over 180,000 miles on it now. I did not see your previous post about what truck it is, so this may be out in left field as for a suggestion.
Jim



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Leland

01-31-2006 09:06:16




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
Is it a Dodge ? they have a big spring that goes bad tranny guy says that they always take a crap .



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Gene-WI

01-31-2006 07:07:59




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
After milking cows for almost 30 years I like not having to push a clutch in, easier on the knees, don't need 3 feet when putting the boat in either. I think most of the problems are from abuse and neglect, when's the last time anyone has changed the fluid and filter, nope wait till there is a problem and then do it. Then they buy these 1/2 ton trucks with all the bells and whistles but won't buy a 3/4 with a towing package cause it's too expensive,or rides too rough, add a hitch later and think they can tow anything under the sun, no oil cooler, no heavy duty brakes, nothing. Keep it in overdrive too. See it all the time, big bass boats, loaded with camping and hunting gear, even hauling tractors.

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Billy NY

01-30-2006 21:37:48




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
Aug. '03 went to the dealer for a new F-150, was looking for just a few features, one was a manual trans., boy did that irritate the sales guy, " Why would you want that ?" he said, and I said "because", what's the difference, he found one in VA., I put a deposit on it, forgot why I changed my mind later, took forever to get my money back, oh I remember, found out the company I worked for was headed down the tubes, so I did not need the payment for 3 years, he acted like I was asking for something unusual, and probably so, anyone think they'll be discontinuing manual transmissions ? Sounds like it, hope not though.

I think it's like anything, good maintenance and correct operating habits gets you the best service life, auto or stick, unless you use it for other than it's designed, abuse it, or it is a bad design from the start.

Everything I own is a stick, I decided to keep my '96 150, 5 spd. manual hubs, and a lever for the transfer case, it had some odd bug in the 5 spd. since new to me at 16,000 miles, dealer never made good on the warranty, took it apart twice, couple of new synchros, so I'm actually putting in a rebuilt one finally, after it failed at 132,000 miles, 1st manual one to fail that I've had, but being a mazda trans., ok well no need to bash, but... First truck I had was a chevy K-10, still have it, auto failed in it, I put a 4 spd. in, NP-203 transfer case, spicer drivetrain parts, that is one tough drivetrain, and I can run a p.t.o. off it, can't do that with an auto. for the same application. I used to push over small 2"-4" dia white birch trees with it in 4wd low, line them up with the plow frame, push em right over, but don't back up, one way only, LOL. Our '96 3/4 ton dodge at the farm is an auto, while pulling a large 2 horse trailer from Fla. last year, it would kick down to low on the hills, engine was screamin, drove me nuts, mechanic said it was fine before the trip, just hate hearing that engine running those kind of R.P.M.'s, found a trick or 2 to avoid it from happening, but just annoying to drive, don't seem right, expecting a rod to flyout ! There is no doubt about having the right power and gear ratio's, certainly don't hate autos either, they have come a long way since the detroits and allisons that all the firetrucks and buses used to have.

Big trucks, auto's take the fun out of it, but because people who drive trucks they don't own for a living, they tear up things like transmissions, cause premature clutch wear, mess up 2 spd. rears, power dividers etc., most of that is due to lack of care and or knowledge, I drove for many companies and can attest to the caliber of drivers you can get, that is why a lot of them went to autos, can't blame them when it's time to do the books. I cannot imagine running a nicely powered over the road truck, with say a nice CAT 400-500HP or Cummins and an auto, no fun in my book. I ran 30 yd articulated dumps on site, that had 15 spd autos, they ran great, plenty of gears, hard to screw up, and thought our old 64 4000 S-O-S Ford was great, matter of preference. I like the manual trans. the best, even when dealing with city traffic day in day out, like my old chevy and my fords, old and new, won't get into the age old discussion on brands, never had a reason to.

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gfrco

01-30-2006 21:29:44




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
I much prefer a stick buuutttt beware of the plastic master and slave cylinders especially in cold weather. Have had lots of problems and went to automatics on the last two trucks.



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Doug in IL

01-30-2006 20:49:31




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
You will be much happier with your next truck. A good manual transmission is the only way to go. The manual has many advantages in a truck you actually want any work out of. I'd would not take a pickup with an automatic as a gift. Of course, this is just my biased opinion!



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jdemaris

01-30-2006 19:12:20




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
I don't know anything specifically about your overdrive transmission - but - I had similar problems with two of my General Motors overdrives. They would shudder and growl a bit whenever the lockup converter went into its lockup mode. You can usually tell if its actually the lockup making the noise by putting a little pressure on the brake pedal. If pressing on the brake pedal makes the noise go away - then you know exactly where the problem is (brake lights are hooked into the lock-up circuit and disconnects it). On two of my trucks, I simply unplugged the lockup converter. One of them was 80K miles ago and it still works fine. In fact, it drives much better without the lockup mode - but I live in the hills. Flatland might be different. Overdrive final stage clutch still works fine, just have no final lock-up. Truck drives better and I experience no change in fuel mileage.

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buickanddeere

01-30-2006 16:20:46




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
The US armed forces and just about every delivery and utility/emergency service vehicle uses automatic transmissions. Why? Because they cost less per mile to operate. No clutch to slip and burn out. No clutch pedal for the driver to ride. No free play in the clutch pedal to adjust. No gears to grind. Better mileage and performance as the computer knows when best to shift. This is 2006, not 1975. Where automatic got their bad name was from drivers who towed overweight loads without a trans cooler. Plus real men can shift gears, sissies can't.

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bradk

01-30-2006 15:49:10




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
Rich,
Ford has an updated converter for your condition.Bulletin # 03-21-18.Part # XL3Z-7902DARM.$250.00(approx)Labor time is 4.9hr.to R&R converter.Forget the bad sensor nonesense.The engine light would be on.~brad



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thejdman01

01-30-2006 14:57:03




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
Why????? With a cheap line pressure kit (increase pressure) and proper maintenance should last jsut fine. Have had alot of trucks w/autos, all the cement mixers front loaders have autos at work, cant hear the motor in the rear to shift very well. Service trucks at work have autos, F450 auto , better fuel economy always in the right gear, dont have to worry about lazy driver not shifting, slipping hte clutch etc autos are finehwen serviced and a line pressure kit helps

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old

01-30-2006 14:54:41




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
Sorry to bear bad news but your cost to fix that could be from $300-2500 depending on what its in and who you take it to. I have a 1995 Chev van with a weak tranny, cost to rebuild it is $1800 so its now parked and will be till I sell it.



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720Deere

01-30-2006 14:26:48




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
Since I can easily replace 4 clutches myself for the cost of one auto tranny rebuild, I would say it would be foolish to have a work truck with an auto. I'm not lazy enough yet that I can't shift for myself.



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nc140man

01-30-2006 15:58:15




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to 720Deere, 01-30-2006 14:26:48  
I don't agree! I work in a lumberyard that has been using auto tranny's since the mid 80's! Mostly 32,000 gwv's but one 54,000 gwv and except for 1 rebuild, and only because some idiot didn't know enough to check fluid running and hot and overfilled it 'til it blew out the seals, they have been very reliable and durable! Can't beat them for jobsite and offroad performance! And especially for town driving with heavy loads! The couple of 72,000 gwv's we have needed more upkeep than the auto's! I love to drive manuals myself but for all around use auto trannys rule! Scott

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720Deere

01-30-2006 18:13:06




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to nc140man, 01-30-2006 15:58:15  
It's kinda funny that 80% of all Ford and Dodge diesel trucks w/ auto transmissions end up in the tranny shop well before 100,000 miles. With all that torque and a heavy load it usually only takes less than 60,000 miles to roast one even with faithful oil changes. Heavy duty trucks are a different story. Both the trucks and trannies are overbuilt to handle the work that they need to do.



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barnrat

01-30-2006 14:20:02




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
A clutch is alot easier and cheaper to fix then an automatic transmission. The closest I get to an automatic transmission is on my 3020 or 4020 with the powershift.



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RustyFarmall

01-30-2006 14:07:32




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-30-2006 13:57:55  
The truck I drive now is the third in a row to have a manual transmission, never been sorry.



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oldart

02-02-2006 18:02:53




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 Re: I hate auto trannys in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-30-2006 14:07:32  
i learned how to shift an old ford square cut gears on sincro's double clutch and two speed axel never tore up the gears a clutch once in a while. then went to sincro on road semi never took out clutch in over 100K m. automat now wont go back any more . smoke the automat. once my own fault so i payed 180K m by then



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