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Randyr

01-30-2006 06:28:38




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Thought I would post this question here because a compuuter is a tool to me.
With all the brands of processors available ie pentium, celeron, semperon, amd and probably more, what do find to be the best one considering price, reliability, expandabilty, etc? I"m talking about a desktop. Thanks!




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kyhayman

01-30-2006 21:18:32




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
I thought that my Compaq with 60 gig of HD, 256 ram and an athelon processor would be all I would ever need. Great machine, and with a 20" flat screen still less than $600.

That was 2 years ago. Already maxed the hard drive, gone to twin 80's (with a 120 gig external backup) and another 256 ram card. HP has a big honkin machine with twin pentium 4s and 1024 RAM. A pretty good article on it in Popular Photo (Dec 05). Maybe someday soon.... They say under $800 street price.

Right now my bottleneck is bandwidth.....

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mjbrown

01-30-2006 15:42:05




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
I had to learn to use an Apple at work for time submission etc. and liked it. No viruses no spyware no zombieware no defraging. I got one to replace our pc at home. They make one that is a small box that you plug into your monitor and keyboard and peripherals that go for six or seven hundred dollars.



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mj

02-03-2006 09:54:07




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 Re: Computers in reply to mjbrown, 01-30-2006 15:42:05  
AMEN on the Apple, brother!



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Kendall

01-30-2006 13:28:49




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
If you're not processing seismic data or doing 3d rendering for Pixar Animation or editing DVD data streams, or some other high end data processing, them most 1.anything Ghz system would work for you. Most of newer systems are 2.something Ghz. The best advice I can give, is to get the nicest monitor/lcd screen you can. That's the part you stare at and is your interface into the computer world. You want this to be a pleasurable event. A nice monitor can be transfered to your next computer in future years. Get a big disk too 120Gbyte or more. You'll need the space once you start loading up pictures and mpg movies. The main difference between the celeron and pentium is the onboard cache. The pentium has more and is more suited for the high tech stuff I mentioned. Check out Dell computers.

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Bus Driver

01-30-2006 13:26:07




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
I know so little about computers. But Forbes magazine recently commented that AMD processors are better than Intel.



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Dave NE IA

01-30-2006 11:33:55




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
I will hunt down and abuse the next person that tells me that my new computer has more power than I will ever use. I was told that in about 1978, and numerous times there after.

I would suggest a Wal-Mart special on a printer. You can buy printers cheap as a ink jet refill, although most all new printers are only half full of ink when new. I so far got buy pretty well on the bulk refills. If I recall correct a Lexmark Z6000 new was like thirty dollars on a close out. It pumps the paper out pretty fast. Dave NE IA

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Richard Kline

01-30-2006 09:05:04




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
I really think that you need to look at the whole rig, not just the processor.

After 30 years of daily use in my office, I think HP is the only way to go. Both their computers and printers give you very good bang for the book. And there really is no "low end" on quality for an HP.

Right now there are lots of refurbished rigs for rediculously low prices.



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mjbrown

01-30-2006 15:33:14




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 Re: Computers in reply to Richard Kline, 01-30-2006 09:05:04  
Rich, My experience with HP is the opposite of yours. My june '04 laptop developed a crack in a solder joint at the power jack and the best I could get from HP was a chat with a fellow in India whom I couldn't understand. Our tech at work was able to fix it and had another there with the same problem. He thinks HP is near the bottom of the heap for support.



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Bob - MI

01-30-2006 08:16:15




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 Re: Computers - long post in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
Depends on what your plans are and what you have right now. I am always a believer in buying better quality stuff and I like to work in the 7~8 range on a 10 scale. I find that last year"s hot item is usually marked way down today so it"s really a cost thing.

I have a 6-year old Gateway P3 866 machine that I use every day for a home business. It"s a bit sluggish but for the most part I have never had any significant trouble with it. Had to replace the cooling fan this year ($6.00) and now the CD burner went out (new one >$25.00). I did bump the memory up to 384mb and overall it does well. I have to keep after the spyware and I try to get the updates when they are available. I do some PowerPoint work and some of the intense graphics can stop it cold which can be pretty frustrating but I am strapped for cash right now and am getting by.

I have been looking at some of the lower end machines that are out there with mostly Celeron processors figuring that anything would be better and faster than what I have now. There are some good deals to be had especially on close-out models. I look for ones that have the best upgrade capabilities especially for memory.

2 years ago now I bought a $1200 Dell 8000 for my gollege daughter. That was the mack-daddy unit then with a P-4 2.8ghz HT processor. Came with 512mb of memory and an 80gb drive and dual optival drives. This is one smokin" machine but one day out of warranty it started to develop issues. Dell forced me to buy the $250.00 warranty extension and then took 2 weeks to fix a problem (supposed to be next day). They replaced the CPU, motherboard, hard drive, and memory. It"s running fine now but that was a very frustrating experience and I"m not sure that I would buy another Dell because of it. By the way, I now have a middle-eastern accent.

The last few days I have been looking into building my own for the next machine. For about $500.00 you can build a real nice unit that is comparable to the daughter"s Dell but for my business I could really use a laptop.

Hope this helps somewhat.

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Slowpoke

02-01-2006 22:49:10




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 Re: Computers - long post in reply to Bob - MI, 01-30-2006 08:16:15  
Yes, you can build a nice unit very reasonable, but remember, there's no operating system. Add another $200 for Windows.



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Randy_NE

01-30-2006 08:12:22




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
Get a Mac and you will never look back ; )



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mj

02-03-2006 09:56:46




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randy_NE, 01-30-2006 08:12:22  
Hey.....I like that!



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acmfmh

01-30-2006 07:56:08




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
Randyr,

It all depends on what you want it to do. With more money you get more power. (Insert grunting noise.)

I have been building systems for many years. I have gotten to the point that if someone wants a low end processor like a celeron or sempron, then buy the walmart system. If they want some thing to work well for gaming, photos, etc. Use the P4 or Athlon. P4 and Athlon cpu's also have several flavors and speeds. Low end old Athlons will run circles around new celerons and semprons.

Bottom line is figure out what you want it to do. Ask someone to help if necessary.(Preferably a person that speaks geek.) And fit that machine to your purpose.

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steve from mo - dangit!

01-30-2006 07:21:58




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 Depends on what you want to do. in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
I have a couple old PIII-1000 that do pretty well on the internet and word processing. They don't do photo editing worth a durn, though. It takes more horsepower to do that.

I use mostly Celeron 2000 at my wife's office, with a fast network for her database system.

I have a couple of AMD's that didn't work very well using Winders 98 and ME. Windows 2000 changed everything; they work well now.

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Bob

01-30-2006 07:11:35




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
What are you going to do with it?

For internet use, there is NO noticeable difference between my Pentium II 400 MHZ notebook, and my 2800MHZ Pentium IV desktop.

For some photo and video editing, the 2800 chugs along.

The kid also has a Pentium IV 2800, and is looking for something FASTER for gaming.

Quickbooks Pro runs happily on the 400 MHZ unit, to.

Do you do run any engineering programs, or high-end financial programs or graphics programs, or is the 'puter to be for basic word processing and internet use?

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Coloken

01-30-2006 06:45:04




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 Re: Computers in reply to Randyr, 01-30-2006 06:28:38  
I've had great satisfaction here with the celerons. Right now two machines, each with celeron 2 gig. Faster are available now. Don't think that faster CPU's have much efect after you get to 1 gig or so. Faster Hard drives are all way better. Use SATA ones.



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Bob

01-30-2006 08:08:51




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 Re: Computers in reply to Coloken, 01-30-2006 06:45:04  
What's the price difference between a Celeron and a P-IV, say at about the 2.4 GHZ level?



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Coloken

01-30-2006 09:07:21




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 Re: Computers in reply to Bob, 01-30-2006 08:08:51  
I quit building several years ago, so just took a quick look at "thechipmerchant.com" If I read right 213 for boxed 2800 and 92 for 2800 boxed celeron.....sounds like too much diference to me, so look for yourself. Others here can tell you what applications the full chip would be better at. Friend just built computer from tigerdirect. About 2.8 gig I think. Started with one of their kit specials and added a few things. He is very happy with what he got.

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