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Adding a shed on the barn, material question

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Butch(OH)

01-24-2006 13:04:01




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My barn is 55" long and I have 4 poles set to add a 10' shed that will continue the 4-12 pitch from the barn roof to the outer wall of the shed. Am going to use double 2x12 between the poles to support the rafters and sliding doors. Central Ohio here so snow load is not high. Will be a ribbed steel roof on it. I know that bigger rafters equals less needed but more 2x4 needed under the tin and smaller rafters means have to be closer but can use less 2x4s under the tin. In the days of cheap(er) lumber I just overbuilt evrything but dont have that luxery now. What would be the cheapest combination of rafter material and spacing and how far apart for the 2x4 undr the tin? Hope I am not making rocket science out of this but realy have the need to economize and dont want it to fall down in 5 years

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Dave NE IA

01-25-2006 21:53:04




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
In addition to my recent post, if you use 2 x 4's or 6's on edge for nail perloins and you are pushing the max. span. Many companies actualy do not get the max. strength because they nail them on edge at 90 degrees to the rafter. You can get more strength if you put them plumb not at the 4/12 pitch on your roof. Just common sence but many times overlooked in the way we do the (get er done frame of mind). The 2 x's cost the same regardless. Dave NE IA

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mjbrown

01-25-2006 09:59:30




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
Two suggestions:
1. Get some publications on farm buildings from your local cooperative extension. There is a lot of info in there and it has been engineered.
2. See if there are any local sawmills where you can buy rough sawed lumber. It will be cheaper than lumber yard lumber. Here again C.E. publications will tell you what to look for.
Good building!



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Dave NE IA

01-24-2006 22:09:42




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
The spread sheet idea is a excelent one by all means do so. Many folks get a good ripping by not being well informed and making generalizations. Be sure to get quotes including a time table for the quoted price.

I build alot of buildings and do the overbuild thing, Never had someone call me up and chew me out for overbuilding. Can't afford to do it right the first time, then the second time you sure can.

Some questions come to mind when suggesting rafter spacing etc. Will it ever be insulated and heated, will birds become a problem. Is there a min. head room needed, will a ceiling ever be in store? Is tearing down a local building for the materials a option? Does someone in your area have used lumber? Think over the lean to part. Many companies when building on a lower addition especialy on the gable end-(making the building longer) at the first 10 foot interval we add a double rafter as snow drifts usually end up there.

In our area 2x4 on top of rafters are usually 24 inches on center, (layed flat) max. rafter spacing 4 foot on center. If you put them on edge you can almost double that number.

I get alot of questions about what's it gona cost for a shed so big by so big. My answer is if I could quote it to you off the top of my head without crunching numbers and knowing exactly where every door---and everything prefered is listed-- you best not hire me because I will pad it to cover the extras.

I would strongly suggest talking to your local lumber yard for there recomandations in your area.

I do know a big mistake made by do it yourselfers is they think 1 x 4 lumber is cheaper than 2 x 4 lumber. Most times it is not, and if so very little differance. Dave NE IA

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deanop

01-24-2006 17:45:52




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
just built a 20x80 lean to off my 40x80 pole barn...i went with 2x18" lvl's (1) spaced 8' o.c....the lvls cost about $160 for 7 used 2x12 on the gableends...tin,lvls,hardware,poles,lumber cost me about $5000....



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BobHnwOh

01-24-2006 16:44:55




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
Butch,you should go 16 feet instead of 10,you know your gonna need the extra room and it won't cost that much more!!Bob.



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Butch(OH)

01-24-2006 18:54:47




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to BobHnwOh, 01-24-2006 16:44:55  
Bob, If I had money for more toys I wouldnt need to cheapskate my shed, LOL



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Butch(OH)

01-24-2006 16:17:35




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
Thanks Bob, JMS thats the info I was looking for,



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JMS/MN

01-25-2006 09:28:07




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 16:17:35  
Dave brought up a good point regarding setting the purlins. Obviously, we nailed the 1x4s flat, but on the recent sheds with 8 foot spans, the 2x4s were set on edge.



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JMS/MN

01-24-2006 15:50:16




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
Dad and I built two pole sheds in '61 and '63 using home-sawed lumber. Red oak 2x6 and 2x8 rafters, two feet on center, 1x4 purlins. Both sheds were 30-40 feet wide. They still stand today. On our farm, since '77, pole sheds have been built with 2x8 rafters, 8 feet on center, with 2x4 purlins every two feet. Widths from 36-48 feet. Pretty much the standard around here, and we have plenty of snow load. If you're just adding a ten foot lean-to, no need to go over a 2x6 rafter on that span, either 4 or 8 foot spacing if you use 2x4 purlins.

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BobHnwOh

01-24-2006 15:18:08




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
Butch,I used 2X6 rafters on 48 inch centers with 2X4"s on 24 inch centers,figgered this was minimum!Bob.



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Chuck (VA)

01-24-2006 14:21:05




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
Three options to consider - 1) contact Household Goods movers for military with the Plywood shipping crates. A guy here locally has so many used crates (4"x8"x8") he was selling cheap to get off his lot. Rip the 3/4" plywood into 8" long nailers.

2) Pallet companies often have 2nds on plywood they sell to truckers for dunnage fairly reasonable. Can be ripped into nailers

3) Company called Litco in Vienna OH(?) makes pressed wood dimensional boards for shipping. May have some boards with bad ends at a good price.

All cheaper than new dimensional lumber

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Matt Clark

01-24-2006 13:44:42




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 Re: Adding a shed on the barn, material question in reply to Butch(OH), 01-24-2006 13:04:01  
Whenever I have a problem like this with several different options, it seems the easiest way to compare apples to apples and get the bottom line answer is to put together an Excel spreadsheet with separate worksheets.

One worksheet would be set up using each of the options and a total for each can then be compared. I know it sounds like lots of work, but I kind of enjoy it. In this way, I can change different variables (delivery fees, sales tax, etc.) which can be different by vendor or location.

You still have to do all the material lists for each different way, but you"d have to do that anyway...

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