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Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need Help

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tino

01-20-2006 23:02:25




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Hey ladies and gents,

I am a problem with my 2 cylinder craftsman 6hp 30 gallon (919.1252930).

As mentioned, my compressor runs but ill only pressurize to about 60 psi in the tank and line. I opened her up and found a bad (broken fins) valve plate which I replaced along with ring and cylinder. The other side looked ok.

So I put it together thinking i found the problem, yet the problem still exists. It did seem to pump slightly faster however. Any ideas? Maybe check valve or something LMK@!

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tino

01-22-2006 10:21:36




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to tino, 01-20-2006 23:02:25  
Hey guys,

Thank you all for the advice. I never thought I would find so much information.

I guess the bottom line has come to my psi switch being broken. I can not do any other tests till I replace it. However, I am torn between spending more money on this compressor, or just buying a new one. Which would be more expensive of course (assuming I can fix my present one), I just dont like the idea of throwing darts in the dark.

Also, I am still bothered that I can find no check valve in the system. Any of course sears no longer makes this so I can not buy one to see what it looks like. I would spend an easy 140 dollars on rebuilding both cylinders, and repalcing seals along with the psi switch.

I guess I got myself in to a bad position taking apart the switch.

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Chris Pritchard

01-23-2006 07:31:52




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to tino, 01-22-2006 10:21:36  
We have a sears air compressor with a bad valve on one side. When Dad checked the price on parts, the valve was only avalible buy buying the whole pump head. Price:$200 cdn!!

Dad can buy a whole new air compressor pump for that much!

I might suggest that for a air regulator, you should try some industrial suppliers. they should be able to supply you with a WAY better regulator, a check valve, and some information on how to use them.

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XRogerX

01-21-2006 15:57:53




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to tino, 01-20-2006 23:02:25  
You may have a gasket blown, or installed incorrectly. Some of these compressors use a fine silicone O-ring instead of gaskets, which harden and flatten out over time, allowing air to leak. Check to see if the small unloader valve (if yours has one) on the side of the pressure switch is leaking while running. If the valve plate broke and it ran awhile, the valve seat may be chewed up a bit, preventing proper sealing. There must be a check valve inline there somewhere, since reed valves will not close well enough to seal pressure inside the tank, and it needs to unload after shutdown to prevent stalling the motor on startup. There is an easy way to check the valve and the unloader. If the compressor has a shutoff switch on the pressure switch, turn it off while it is running. There should be a short blast of air, to show that the compressor is unloading, then there should be no air leaking, If there is, the check valve is shot. A bad check valve should not impede output with no load on the system, unless it causes enough blockage to prevent any air reaching the tank, which is not the case as you can still get 60 psi on the gauge. It will still pass air, and allow the compressor to reach cutout.

Anyhow, there is enough load on the compressor to match its output at 60 psi. There is a leak in the system somewhere, or backflow into the pump (bad discharge valve finger, valve seat, or bent reed). Check any compression fittings on the discharge line as well, as they have a tendency to cut through the line after awhile, due to vibration, especially aluminum lines.

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tino

01-21-2006 16:52:54




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to XRogerX, 01-21-2006 15:57:53  
Thanks for the tips roger. Well, I will have to replace the psi switch because it fell apart when I took it off.

Also, I am very troubled that I can not find the check valve in the system. The tank stays pressurized for some time. There was not a very loud obvious leak. But psi in the tank did drop over nite. The schematic I have shows the check valve to be near the flapper valve, however there is nothing any where. The flapper valve does hide a cylindrical space that looks like a check valve could squeeze in there, however there is nothing in there. That is really the only logical place I think it should be.

One explanation may be that when my valve plate fingers or reed type valves actually broke and went through the system. Could they have actually shreded the check valve? Thus pushing it in to the tank. Could there be enough back pressure on the flapper valve to just slowly leak psi out of the tank. If this is the case, I am out of luck since they no longer make the check valve for this system. LMK what ya think!

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KENT

01-21-2006 12:39:38




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to tino, 01-20-2006 23:02:25  
THE BELT MAY BE LOOSE---HAVE YOU TRIED TO TIGHTEN IT?---ALSO, CAN YOU TELL WHERE IT'S LEAKING?---MEYBE USE A LITTLE SOAPY WATER TO CHECK IT---GOOD LUCK---HTH
KENT



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tino

01-21-2006 13:42:06




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to KENT, 01-21-2006 12:39:38  
Hey kent thanks for the reply,

This is an oilless compressor that runs on an electric motor. I have not found a leak. However, I did run into another interesting problem. I can not find a check valve in the system. I took apart the manifold hoping to find a borken check valve somewhere, but I can not find one.

Worst part is, sears no long makes this check valve and I have no idea what it looks like and not exactly sure where it goes. If I figure out wehre it goes I may be able to get a custom check valve made.

More bad luck here!!!

Thanks!!

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tino

01-21-2006 11:06:07




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to tino, 01-20-2006 23:02:25  
One more thing, it does lose all of its 60psi in less than 24hrs. This possible leak may contribute to my problem but I do not think it is the main reason since the compressor did run fine for the last 4+ years.



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Jay87T

01-21-2006 09:25:09




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to tino, 01-20-2006 23:02:25  
does it turn off at 60 psi? or just keeps pumping and wont go past 60psi?
Jason



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tino

01-21-2006 10:42:53




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to Jay87T, 01-21-2006 09:25:09  
Hey Jay,

The compressor keeps running at 60psi and never gets to its shut off point of about ~135psi intank. I recon it would run all nite trying to build psi.

ANy ideas, Let me know thanks!~!!



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KEB

01-22-2006 09:41:13




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 Re: Compressor Only pressurizing to 60psi!! Need in reply to tino, 01-21-2006 10:42:53  
Couple more things to check. Just went through a similar problem with my 13 year old POS oiless compressor. Problem ended up being a broken finger in the output side reed valve in the cylinder head. Made a brass poppet to fit in the hole, works fine.

Assuming the valves in the compressor are in good shape, check the unloader valve in the switch. It"s supposed to bleed down the pressure in the output line when the compressor shuts off (the hissing you hear when the motor stops) so the compressor doesn"t re-start against the tank pressure. On mine, it"s built into the contactor assembly. Look for a small hose or pipe tee"d from the line coming out of the compressor.

On mine, there is also a spring loaded poppet valve in a fitting screwed into the output chamber on the cylinder head. Not sure what its for, but if it leaks the compressor may never be able to come up to full pressure.

Finally, check the piston itself. On all of these that I"ve seen, the cylinder will lift off the piston once you"ve removed the head. If the cylinder walls or the seal around the edge of the piston are worn, it may be leaking enough to limit maximum pressure. At least on mine, the piston is rigidly mounted to the connnecting rod and "rocks" within the cylinder as the crank turns.

Good luck,

Keith

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