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Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - oddb

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jdemaris

01-19-2006 05:54:00




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I'm looking for some steel wheels to fit an old portable welder on a trailer - I think it's an old Miller (not sure) with a Chrysler four cylinder engine. Wheels are 5 lug, 16", and a 6" bolt circle. Seems there must be some other type of equipment that used the same configuration. I haven't been able to find any wheels that are 5 lug with a 6" circle. The 16" tire size doesn't matter - but the circle and amount of lugs does - unless I try redrilling the bearing hubs.

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Keith-OR

01-20-2006 07:17:49




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 05:54:00  
jdemaris, not sure on how you are measuring the bolt pattern. Lot of the old axels used Jeep and Ford pickup bolt pattern which is 5 x 5 1/4". That is 5 1/4" bolt pattern measuring center to center of lugs across center hole of wheel.HTH

I'm at a complete lose on 5 x 6" pattern..

Keith



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jdemaris

01-20-2006 07:29:20




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to Keith-OR, 01-20-2006 07:17:49  
I'm measuring the bolt circle as a circle - nothing complicated. Center of one lug hole to the center of the wheel (radius) times two = the diameter of the bolt circle. There are several forumlas for calculting the actual circle by measuring one lug hole to another. I've got lots of stuff around that has 4.5", 5", and 5.5", but nothing 6" with 5 lug.



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John in Nebraska

01-19-2006 21:31:22




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 05:54:00  
I had a 1960 IHC 4x4, 1-ton that had five bolt wheels with that big pattern, it was not a dually. These were ordinary looking stamped steel rims. Also seen wheels similar on an old New Idea implement from that time period. Looking thru the back row at your local implement dealers may be the best, ask the mechanics too as some hoard the old stuff. May find some just a few miles from home.



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Ron in Nebr

01-19-2006 20:16:14




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 05:54:00  
Those are fairly common on older implements, so, like mentioned earlier, you might try snooping around some of your local implement dealers or even some of your local tire stores that deal in ag tires.



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JMS/MN

01-19-2006 14:33:56




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 05:54:00  
I had a machine hauling trailer that had trailer house rims with new centers- made out of flat steel stock, cut and drilled to fit the hubs. Knowing the posts you've made here, with all the mechanical expertise you display- I don't doubt that you could make the same. Six inch centers are hard to find, but easy to cut on a lathe. Indexing wheel takes care of the hole layout.



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jdemaris

01-19-2006 17:28:21




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to JMS/MN, 01-19-2006 14:33:56  
Yeah, I'm sure I could either make wheels or reconfigure the hubs - but I'm not looking for any more "projects." My situation is - I've got a large engine-driven generator set - probably weighs around 1500 lbs. and measures 6 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's meant for stationary mount- it doesn't have wheels. I want to move it up to some property I have in the Adirondacks, and I want to find a cheap and small trailer to put it on, take it up there, and then leave the trailer on the property. So, I'm looking for something small, cheap, and rugged. It only has to make one road trip around 120 miles. My neighbor has that welder-trailer sitting in his field. He offered to sell it to me for $50 if I strip it for him - he wants the engine out of it. I went out to take a look at it, jacked it up, and half of both wheels fell off (the parts that were in the dirt). So, if I could find some wheels locally without spending much money - I'd buy them. If I have to start fabricating stuff, I might be better off waiting for something more suitable. Making wheels, finding tires, time spent stripping the thing, all adds up. But, it is just the right size. We've got several wrecking yards as well as one of the largest tractor junkyards in the state nearby - but I don't even know what I'm looking for since I have no idea what else might use a similar wheel. I went through something similar a few years ago - maybe the same problem you had? My equipment trailer, dual axles, was built from old mobile home axles. It takes the old style one-piece steel wheels, 14.5". I was told they haven't been used since the 50s. There a mobile home graveyard near to me, and they have a mountain of axles and tires - but all the newer style. One day though, I spotted an old mobile home frame sitting in a swamp - and sure enough - it had the four wheels on it I needed. In retrospect, I might of been smarter just buying two newer axle assemblies. The mobile-home place sells complete axles with brakes wheels and 8 X 14.5 tires for $100 each.

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Bus Driver

01-19-2006 09:27:26




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 05:54:00  
Some farm wagons use that lug pattern. Miller Tire has wheels with that pattern. You might find them nearer at implement dealer near you.



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RustyFarmall

01-19-2006 08:16:58




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 05:54:00  
At one time during the fifties and into the sixties Dodge and Ford pick-up truck wheels would interchange, and both of those would also interchange with some farm wagons and other implements. Might be a something to look into.



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fixerupper

01-20-2006 17:27:36




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-19-2006 08:16:58  
The old Ford 1/2 ton's had the same bolt pattern as the standard five hole implement wheels. The Ford center hole was smaller than the 4" hole on the implement rims but a little work with a torch cures that problem. Jim



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jdemaris

01-19-2006 09:49:56




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-19-2006 08:16:58  
Yeah, many Ford and Dodge trucks use the same axles. Many Chevys/GMs also have the same bolt pattern but a different size center-hole. The wheels from my 85 Ford F250 interchange with the wheels on my 69 Dodge W200 Powerwagon. Problem with the wheels I'm looking for is the five-lug configuration. I've never seen a full size pickup with 5 lug, just six and eight lug.



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Leroy

01-19-2006 16:40:52




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 09:49:56  
Acording you have never seen a 1/2 ton Ford truck from the 40's, 50's, or 60's as they all had 5 lug rims with a 5 1/2" bolt circle and same rims fit Jeep and International



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jdemaris

01-19-2006 17:39:22




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to Leroy, 01-19-2006 16:40:52  
I've probably seen plenty, just don't remember it - i.e. guess I forgot. In fact, I thought I owned two 49 1/2 ton Ford trucks - but maybe not. One's in my barn and the other is out in my field. One has a Merc Flathead V-8, the other a smaller Ford flatheat V-8, and neither has 5 lug wheels. Maybe they're 3/4 ton? Tags fell off the side, so I forgot if they read F1 or F2. I've also got a Model A light pickup, also an AA heavy truck. I didn't go up to my field yet to check the smaller A wheels. I also owned a 61 F100 for years - just forgot what the wheels looked like - maybe they were 5 lug. I haven't owned a 1/2 Ford or Dodge since, but I've got four 1/2 ton Chevys (all six lug). Also got a 3/4 Dodge, 3/4 ton Chevy, and a 3/4 ton Ford and all the wheels interchange (8 lug) if you don't count the centerholes.

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Leroy

01-19-2006 16:35:42




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 09:49:56  
My 1974 Full size Chevy :Nothing was made in that time frame except the full size; 1/2 ton has 5 lug wheels and that same wheel fit the 79 Olds 98 that I had. My 1970 GMC 1/2 ton has the 6 lug wheel and I think that in 71 is when they went from the 6 lug to 5 lug on both Chevy and GMC 1/2 ton trucks. They both use a 215- 75- 15 tire same as that 79 Olds did



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Joe(TX)

01-19-2006 10:31:41




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2006 09:49:56  
Both Ford and Dodge use 5 or 8 lug wheels, no 6 lug, always have. The 6 inch bolt circle is an oddball though. Best bet is to change the axle or the huds to a standard size.



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504

01-19-2006 20:43:59




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 Re: Looking for 16, 5 lug, 6 bolt circle wheels - in reply to Joe(TX), 01-19-2006 10:31:41  
Ford trucks and vans used 5 on 5 3/4 thru 1996 on 1/2 tons. That is the only size I can think of that might be what you need. That is from center of the stud to the center of the stud across from it. On Ford truck wheels if they take flat lugnuts they will not fit.(they are metric)



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