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Dum Dum

01-18-2006 07:37:58




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I know it is probably me and I am doing something stupid, but I have a strange problem with my chainsaw. It is a 20 inch stihl 029 with a newer stihl bar and chain. When I cut a good size log it always goes off to the right side and just will not cut a straight cut thru the log. I have been blaming myself and trying everything I can to keep it straight but it never fails to go off to the side. I am now wondering if there could be something wrong with the saw. After you have a good laugh, give me a hand if you think you can. Thank you from, Greenhorn

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Billy Ny

01-20-2006 05:58:54




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
Comments on this dilemma are interesting, have an MS 390, new in '02, friend has a MS 361 new this fall '05. I had not used mine all that much, but eventually it dulled up with moderate use, was careful, and did not hit anything, that and infrequent use, it still cut well for 3 years. I started using it more frequently and noticed it needed a sharpening, was starting to burn the wood on large logs. When I bought it, I also bought the $100.00 file guide/jig that clamps to the bar. I had not learned the correct way to sharpen yet, so I read up on it and when I finally understood it, I went to the Stihl dealer and also purchased the $15.00 file kit, has the depth gauge, correct Stihl file for the 3/8" chain, Stihl flat file for the raker etc. I discovered that the generic file I bought at the time, with the file jig, was not correct size, and was different by virtue of it's texture than the Stihl brand file, that and not wanting to screw up the cutting edge of the cutters,is probably why I waited so long, simply put sharpening procrastination !

Well, I attached the guide, found that all the teeth were still the same size, set up the guide, it really holds a true 30 deg for the file, used the same amount of strokes, and minor touch up strokes for each tooth on each side, tensioned the chain, have my oiler set on max. and it cuts like new, now it takes me 1/2 hour to sharpen the chain with precision. From what I understand, maintaining the specifications called for, by finding the master cutter, making them all the same, depth of cut etc. also makes it a safer saw to use, obviously it will cut with less resistance, kinda why I waited and absorb all the information in the manuals about these Stihl's. I use everything from the manufacturer, bar oil, files, 2 stroke oil, etc. so I suppose I'm sold on their goods, not sure what most people do in this regard, but it does not seem to be cost prohibitive to use what they call for, although sometimes Mfr.'s BS you into buying their goods, is matter of experience and preference I suppose.

Friend uses a dremel with a guide to sharpen his old saw and continued when he bought the new Stihl saw. I had told him what I had learned about sharpening and how well mine cut after, and that the cutters seemed to be uniform and equally sharpened, so I offered to sharpen his. I noticed that the 30 deg angle was off on most of his cutters and that the end of the cutter, not the leading point was rounded off slightly, all from the inaccurate dremel guide. I can see the reason a dremel could be a timesaver, but I think the guide is subject to human error, as I saw when I sharpened his chain. His cutters were still uniform, depth ok, did not have to touch the rakers, but did straighten out all the cutters to make them uniformly sharp, which took like 1 1/2 hours and it came out nice. He told me after he cut wood with it the next time, that there was a profound difference in performance, so maintaining the accuracy of the 30 deg angle when sharpening certainly made a difference.

He does more wood than I do, but I have started doing more myself, with all this dead elm around and and F-600 truck that is empty, have a lot on a busy road that I can sell firewood from, such a waste to watch all the dead elm rot, hard stuff, burns long and hot, tons of it standing dead around here, most is perfect size no, splitting needed, the rest is seasoned enough, where it will will split much easier, spiral grain pattern seems to weaken. Both of us grew up cutting wood, but never did anything on sharpening except using a file by eye, was fun to learn how to really do them correctly, then see the results.

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Coldiron

01-19-2006 07:06:02




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
No problem, Get a saw vice and follow the directions to straighten out your chain. One side is doing all the cutting while the other is taking a vacation. Make sure that you file the teeth down to the same size as the shortest cutting tooth on the chain and it should be back to good. Don`t forget to take care of the rakers as you take the teeth down. HTH



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jdemaris

01-18-2006 20:14:18




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
Like some of the people already told you, it's the chain - not the bar. The chain has left and right chippers and they must all cut the same. Same goes for the rakers. If one side gets duller than the other, or one side is ground at a differnt angle than the other, the saw will not cut straight and usually bind up when you get halfway into a log. It makes no difference if you're using chisel, semi-chisel, or plain chipper chain. They will all cut cock-eyed when one side is more agressive than the other. Chisel chain will cut the fastest, but it will often dull the fastest if you hit something hard - like a piece of wire or a nail - that because chisel chain's fast cutting speed is very reliant on it's shart point rather than the entire edge of the kerf. In regard to the bars getting replaced. I worked for Deere tractor dealerships back to the 60s, and all that time I was also their Homelite, Sachs-Dolmar, Hoe, Stihl, and Echo/Kioritz saw mechanic. I took home all the "worn out" bars that customers replaced and am still using them with no problems - some were thrown out over 30 years ago. In fact, I've got some older Stihl bars that are grooved for .058" chain and I'm using .050" chain in the bars - i.e. lots of built-in slop. As long as the chain is sharp, they cut nice and straight. I've found that as long as the chain will stay on the bar, and it's sharpened properly, it will cut straight.

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jeffcat

01-18-2006 12:32:44




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
Don"t beat yourself up too much. Go buy a Full chisel chain and start over. This chain cuts like gang busters! If you now cut straigh ya got it made. If you still start to drift you can have a boat load of little problems. CLEAN the groove in the bar and make shure the oil holes are clear. Do this every time you change the chain! Make sure the thing is oiling. Rev the saw near a flat surface and it will make a big streek of oil on the surface. I STILL would NOT use heavy oil with these small saws for the bar. Use straight 30wt and just keep fillin up the tank. If you bent the bar it will drift or if the bar burnned. Check for spalding. That means that sharp little lip of metal under where the chain is running. Last is if you have a messed up drive gear. They will cause the chain to run funky too. Hand file a chain is an art. You should get a log vice and clamp the saw in it out in the field. Take a NEW chain and the correct size NEW file and FEEL a stroke or two on the cutter so you lear what the CORRECT angle is. This is a very easy way to learn HOW. No go and geter done Jeffcat

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Bill WI

01-18-2006 09:09:51




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
Always keep count when filing a chain. If it takes 4 strokes of the file to sharpen, use 4 strokes on all cutters that direction and go 4 strokes on each cutter the other side. Sounds like time consuming, but it really isn't as you get used to it and all cutters bite the same as when you have a new chain or one that was ground. If your saw is cutting crooked have the chain ground(sharpened) to start. The bar should also be filed flat once in awhile as others have said. Once you use the count method, you can keep on till the chain is beyond sharpening, you have to keep at the rakers too.

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TMBean

01-18-2006 09:07:14




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
I replaced the bar on my saw 3 times in a week, certain that it had a been pinched, which will cause the same effect. Turns out that i was sharpening one side of the chain more than the other. The good news is that now I have 3 extra bars and 2 new chains. life is a learning experience.



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Dum Dum

01-18-2006 08:35:09




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
Thanks!



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Skip

01-18-2006 08:21:27




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
I have cut about 8 cords of wood each year for the last 20 years or so and am more than passingly familiar with your problem. Sharpen the chain saw chain properly and the problem will go away.



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Chris Pritchard

01-18-2006 08:17:57




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
uneven bar rail hight or uneven cutters is the most likely cause. If the bar is worn out, and replacing it is a option, you could file the rails back even to buy some more time out of it.

I used a Husky 61 whose bar and chain needed to be replaced. It did the same problem as you described.



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No laugh , just a suggest

01-18-2006 08:10:32




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
Check the cutting direction of the chain saw.



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Powray

01-18-2006 08:10:19




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
Have the bar ground next time it's in the shop getting sharpened.

It may be that the bar edges where the chain rides while cuttin have become uneven.

Or even if you have sharpened it unevenly side to side it could add to the issue.

Drop it off at a saw shop and have it sharpened and the bar ground.

A simple fix might be to just turn the bar upside down and try it. That puts the unworn edge against the sawing pressure.

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randy

01-18-2006 08:08:57




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
flip the bar over and sharpen the chain or better yet have the shop you bought the saw from sharpen it and dress the bar. you have a burr on the edge of the bar or have your angle on the saw chain off if you are hand sharpening



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greenmech

01-18-2006 08:08:43




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 Re: Chainsaw problems in reply to Dum Dum, 01-18-2006 07:37:58  
Your saw teeth are most likely sharpened unevenly on one side. Ron Mn.



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