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Auto darkening welding helmet

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wdtom

01-17-2006 17:55:23




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I have decided I need (want) a new auto darkening welding helmet. I stopped by the local welding shop where I buy most of my supplies and they have a Radnor Cobra, shade 9-13 for $152. This is a solar power unit. Do you guys have any experience with Radnor? I want the variable shade as I do some low amp tig and also medium high stick. Thanks for any imput you may have.




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Coldiron

01-19-2006 07:12:14




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
wdtom, I can not imagine not having an auto hood but remember, they may not work in the lower ranges of temperature. I have a Jackson that doesnt work when it gets really cold here in N. Idaho. Keep your regular hood handy just in case. HTH



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wdtom

01-18-2006 18:30:19




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
Thanks for all your replies. I am re reading them and thinking of what all of you have said.



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NcNE

01-18-2006 11:23:49




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
Wdtom. I have used a few different types of welding helmets in the last few years. I have found that the price of the helmet really reflects quality. A few of the deciding factors in an autodark helmet are the different welding processes you will be using the helmet for most. The next thing you should look at is how much time you will be welding. I assume you"re not doing any production style work so this can sort out a few of the really expensive helmets as the cheaper helmets cannot take as much heat. This also needs to be taken into account if you"re welding heavier metals that require large amounts of heat. The next consideration point is process. Mig/Fluxcore and stick will be suitable under most any autodark helmet. Tig is the one thing you need to worry about with an auto helmet. In most cases there isnt enough current to trip the shade right away which can do serious damage to your eyes. If you plan on doing a large amount of tig welding I would suggest an extremely sensitive shade or just stay with a conventional helmet. On top of that I would look at how the sensitivity of the helmet. What I mean by this is how fast the shade darkens. Based upon my experience the faster the better. Another thing to consider is how the helmet is powered. The three main ways are solar, battery, or combo. If at all possible go with the combination. Without knowing your situation, I would still suggest spending a little more money on a helmet as they are better quality. I have had excellent results with the Jackson NextGen and Miller systems. If you have anymore questions feel free to shoot me an email and I"ll do my best to point you in the right direction.

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Stan in Oly, WA

01-18-2006 14:38:38




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to NcNE, 01-18-2006 11:23:49  
Hi, NcNE

You brought up a good point about the quality of the helmet needing to be related to its intended use. I've had my $50 auto darkening helmet start flickering off from intense heat twice in the last few months. Once I was laying down a lot of metal with wire feed at about 200 amps and I had my face in really close to it. The other time I wasn't especially close but I was running hotter---maybe 300 to 350 amps with dual shield. I'd keep laying down metal until my gloves were smoking, then cool down for a few minutes and go after it again. When my helmet started flashing, I knew what was happening right away because of the first time, so I declared my experiment with dual shield to be finished. The helmet worked normally again after it cooled down for awhile.

I've been using the same helmet for more than a year now, maybe closer to two. I've got an arc going in front of me about 5-8 hours a week. The headgear broke about five months ago and I've had to replace the duct tape on it twice, but it darkens just like it did when I first got it.

I've got Jackson's cheapest variable shade helmet, too, but I'm saving it in case they want to remake the movie Flashdance, this time featuring a 59 year old man whose hair and memory have both vanished.

All the best, Stan

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Tau

01-18-2006 10:18:45




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
I have a Miller Big Window auto darkening helmet. Expensive but my eyes are worth it.I only have one set. I think it was 250.00 or so. But well worth it.



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hay

01-18-2006 04:41:58




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
i bought a harbor freight auto darkening helmet a few months ago and it is awesome. it really does make you a better welder. i am not advertising for HF, but for $50 it was a honey of a deal. i won't go back to the old style now.



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barnrat

01-18-2006 04:39:25




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
I have a Northern tool cheap auto darkening helmet. I couldn't weld without it. I've never had the hand eye coordnation to start an arc(in the right spot) and get my helmet down at same time, and I've never have been flashed since. The guy that shares my shop with me and my brother in law(a professional welder) all laugh at me, but I don't care.



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Stan in Oly, WA

01-17-2006 22:20:53




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
Hi, wdtom

I think Radnor is the name of the town where Lincoln Electric has their business office. I suppose it means whatever it means when any company sells a line of products they don"t want to put their company name on.

I love auto-darkening helmets, can"t imagine trying to weld w/o one now. I flashed myself 20 times as much when I used a regular helmet. My eyes aren"t sensitive though, so I can"t say you won"t have the experience old had rather than the one I have.

Why don"t you try a Western Safety brand adjustable shade helmet from Harbor Freight? They"re almost always on sale for about $50. I use one all the time and I have no complaints about the optics. It"s a cheap helmet, for sure, but that keeps me from worrying about it too much.

All the best, Stan

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720Deere

01-18-2006 03:46:53




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 01-17-2006 22:20:53  
I will second the HF Western Safety helmet. I have had one for 4 months and after extensive use it still works great. I usually only need to keep it around shade 11 for stick welding as that seems plenty dark for me.

It is adjustable for reaction time from slow to fast. I originally had it on slow and I started to get some flash. Since I put it up to fast, I haven't had any problems. From what I can tell they are fully solar, so if you keep it in a dark garage it helps to expose it to some bright lighting before you try to use it. I think that was part of my problem with the slow reaction time before. I was using it in very dark conditions.

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old

01-17-2006 21:04:35




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
Well I know I will NEVER use one again. I usto work at a place whit them and spent more time with burned eyes then I ever had when useing a normal helmit. Now I use only gold plated lens. Last one cost me $25 but its worth it and have not had a vurned eye since



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fixerupper

01-18-2006 07:26:36




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to old, 01-17-2006 21:04:35  
Old, I have one of those solar powered cheapies that will burn my eyes but only with a wire welder so it's not used with a wire anymore but it works fine with a stick welder. I kinda wonder if the flux on the stick shields the flash for the fraction of a second it takes for the lense to change. My neighbor has a battery powered hood that works fine with a wire welder. Jim



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old

01-18-2006 07:51:53




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to fixerupper, 01-18-2006 07:26:36  
Well that was back around 1992 when I was useing them. I worked in a dock building place and they got us al them helmits and I ened up in the hospital a few times because of them. Something about them not going dark it a guy to your side would do some welding but it was enough to get your eyes. Now I don't even think about one. I just plain like my gold lens hand flip helmit



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jpuleo

01-17-2006 20:57:19




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
I bought a cheepie. It works good. I find that the lens is still dim when not darkeded (like sunglasses) so I end up lifing the helmet alot anyway. Im happy with it for what I paid. But to me, unless I used it all the time.... I dont think Its worth any more than I paid for auto darken feature.



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Don-Wi

01-17-2006 20:20:43




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
you'll really like an auto-dark, I've had a solar one, 1 shade, for about 2 years or so and it is really handy. Great for doing thin stuff, I wear tinted safety glasses under mine most of the time because it isn't quite dark enough for what I do at work.
Donovan from Wisconsin



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Hawaiirocky

01-17-2006 19:56:15




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
Let us know how well it works. I bought the HF auto-darkening helmet and it worked great for the few few days, then it died.



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CBBC

01-17-2006 19:45:29




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
Are you sure it is solar powered? Mine has photo cells which activate the darkening. It is powered by a little battery. I don't know what brand mine is. Cost about $100. 9-13 shade. Works fine. To be on the safe side I take a long blink befor I pull the trigger, until I hear/feal the ark. Much better than dropping the helment.
Grant



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RickL

01-17-2006 18:16:12




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to wdtom, 01-17-2006 17:55:23  
I had tried out couple different types of those helments and they were not for me unless you always have a nice warm shop. They don't like verycold temperatures from what I found out. My eyesight is not worth that risk.



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wdtom

01-17-2006 18:33:12




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 Re: Auto darkening welding helmet in reply to RickL, 01-17-2006 18:16:12  
Thanks, will keep this in mind when deciding.



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