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What is a Billet crankshaft?

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al

02-18-2001 10:11:52




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When they say billet crank. What is it usually made of 4140 ,4340 or ??? Is there alot of stress relieving from all the machining?




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Al English

02-18-2001 13:22:10




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 Re: What is a Billet crankshaft? in reply to al, 02-18-2001 10:11:52  
Hi al, A billet crank is one that has been "carved" out of a solid chunk of material. Moldex(one of the oldest and best custom crank companys) was only a few blocks from where I lived for 24 years. I've been there several times. There are cranks all over the place tagged with the names of famous racers, famous race teams, and names of expensive exotic cars. A billet crank could be made from a bar of iron, but why would someone go to all this trouble to custom machine a crank out of the weakest possible material. The type of steel depends on the application. Most aircraft crankshafts, and some automative crankshafts, are nitrided, and must therefore be made from a special alloy that can be nitrided. Most custom cranks are made from 4100 series steel, but I'm not sure about 4340. Although 4340 is the best material for many parts, it may lack the ductility needed for a crankshaft. Moldex has no CNC equipment. The parts are roughed out on big milling machines using roughing mill cutters. In spite of all the operations it takes to finish a one-off crank, they seldom scrap one. I think everything they do is heat treated, so the stresses are dealt with at that point. Heat treating and tempering crankshafts is as much art as science, and they don't give out much information about it. After heat treating the part is finish ground. A good forging has the potential to be a little stronger and more fatigue resistant than a billet. Today most of the race cranks for common applications are made from crome-moly steel forgings.

A note on billet....hot rodders have give billet a "bad" name. In the hot rodding world billet has come to mean anything that has a machined all over look. There are lots of wheels, pulleys, air filters, steering wheels, door handles, etc., etc., etc., that started out as a casting or stampings and were then CNC machined or brushed finished, and then referred to as billet. In this case it is a look, and not a process. "Real" billet is whittled from a brick.

Hope this isn't more than you wanted to know...Al English

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al

02-18-2001 14:16:29




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 Re: Re: What is a Billet crankshaft? in reply to Al English, 02-18-2001 13:22:10  
Hi al to you too,
What is nitriding?
Is this company still around and where?

al



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Al English

02-18-2001 14:31:56




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 Re: Re: Re: What is a Billet crankshaft? in reply to al, 02-18-2001 14:16:29  
Nitriding is a type of heat treatment that produces a very hard, strong, fatigue resistant, outer layer that extends well below the surface, but leaves the interior of the part relatively soft and ductile. Nitrided ctankshafts can be normally be re-ground several times with little loss in surface hardness or strength. I know this process was in use in the 1930's, and is still the best way to make some parts. I know that some of the components in Caterpillar eathmoving equipment is made from nitrided steel, and as I mentioned, airplane crankshafts are made this way...Al English

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T_Bone

02-19-2001 07:09:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: What is a Billet crankshaft? in reply to Al English, 02-18-2001 14:31:56  
Hi All, Nitriding is also nothing more than using nitric acid cut with water at a 60/40 rate as a quench bath. Do to the toxicity it's not used very often any more. The old timers used horse urine as a quench bath, that turned into nitric acid after it sits for awhile or is made from bitter tasting soil. It does produce the best hardening of all tempering quench baths.

T_Bone



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Al English

02-19-2001 09:48:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is a Billet crankshaft? in reply to T_Bone, 02-19-2001 07:09:42  
Hi T_Bone, I know there is a small family of steels alloyed especially for making nitrided crankshafts and similar parts, and also that not all types of steel can be nitrided. I was once told that that nitridable steels must contain some aluminum. I've never run across much information about this, do you know anything more about it? Thanks...Al English



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T_Bone

02-19-2001 21:06:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is a Billet crankshaft? in reply to Al English, 02-19-2001 09:48:07  
Hi Al, About the only info I have is a book written in 1540 that tells how to make nitric acid, sulfuric acid etc: from raw earth, seperate metals, make cannons, roman candles, rifles barrels and heating metals etc:. Really a great read for some of the old methods of working metal from refining to finish. The Colorado School of Mines uses this book as a refference for metallurgy.

The only other refference I have is Adavanced Gunsmithing by Vickery that goes into great detail about heat treating different metals, of course mostly used for gun parts but applies to all uses. One of the heat treating methods he uses and describes is nitriding. This is another great book for refference and I found used at http://dogbert.abebooks.com/
For about $20 for a 1960 edition.

T_Bone

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