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Chris Jones

01-14-2006 17:18:08




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My parents have a high pressure sodium security light they love. It is wired with a photocontrol for dusk to dawn operation. Today I was told it wasn't coming on at dark. But sometimes it did come in during the night. They figured it was the photo control. I figured the light fixture. Seems I was right. I took the unit down and tested the photocontol in a dimly lit shop with a work lamp to shine in it and it's fine. We got a new bulb and it doesn't work either.

Though I don't remember the specifics I know about 2 years ago we had I think a similar situation and I know we ended up getting a new fixture. I had to remind them of that--they don't remember the specifics either.

What do you think would make a fixture go bad in 2 years?

Do you know of any way to test to see if it's the fixture or bulb w/o getting a new bulb? The bulbs don't check with continuity like incandesents. I don't know if to dare put a test meter in the socket the bulb screws into or not.

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Farmered

01-17-2006 05:59:23




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to Chris Jones, 01-14-2006 17:18:08  
All types of yard lamps take a beating from lightning strikes and it doesn't take a direct hit to fry a foto cell. A few thousand stray volts will burn out a balast too. About the cycling on and off; I had one that was turning itself off with the reflected light from the side of a white building. I reoriented the photo cell and had no more problem. Ed



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Chris Jones

01-17-2006 06:44:33




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to Farmered, 01-17-2006 05:59:23  
It wasn"t cycling. It plain old wasn"t coming on. Well, not at sundown at least. I"m told one night it came on during the night (2-3am). Other nights it didn"t come on at all. Nothing is shining or reflecting into the photo cell.

I put up the new lamp last night. I did some testing as well. I put the bulb from the old lamp in the new lamp and it lights. I put the bulb from the new lamp in the old lamp and it doesn"t come on.

I just can"t figure why this is the second lamp to go bad in 2.5 years. I"m really not sure how to test the inner workings of the lamp to see what part is bad. I might be inclined to fix the lamp if I could. I kinda like to know exactly what went bad. There are only about 2 parts in it. A transformer and a round thingie with, I think, two wires coming out of it. I don"t remember any other parts.

Well, I guess we"ll see how long this one lasts.

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Bob

01-17-2006 19:06:04




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to Chris Jones, 01-17-2006 06:44:33  
The "transformer" is called the ballast, and the "round thingy" is the ignitor.

As I posted before, once you find out what those items cost, when purchased individually, you'll appreciate the cost of a new fixture!



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hay

01-15-2006 05:11:33




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to Chris Jones, 01-14-2006 17:18:08  
i hate those HPS lights. the electric co-op installed one to replace an old mercury vapor light in my yard about 2 years ago. the nice blue light from the old MV lamp was replaced with a harsh dim yellow light. can't see nearly as well with HPS. they said that the MV was no longer used.



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buickanddeere

01-16-2006 14:04:44




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to hay, 01-15-2006 05:11:33  
Metal Halide has replaced the mercury vapour. The same white/blue light with less watts per luimen. A mercury bulb will work with a halide ballast but a halide lamp usually ignite on a mercury ballast. The sodium lamps have came a long way form the 1st horrid low pressure units. Still even the best colour corrected sodium vapour at best takes some getting used to. I use a central flourescent and motion sensor incadescent lamps on the perimiter buildings. The coyotes look suprised when the light comes on as they were sneaking towards the chickens.

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MichaelNEIowa

01-15-2006 22:21:34




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to hay, 01-15-2006 05:11:33  
Dad used to sell industrial lighting for GE years back. HPS is actually better than MV, uses a lot less power and gives more lumen output per watt. Much better light. Yeah, the orange glow takes some getting used to, but with HPS, you keep more of your hard-earned money in your pocket and not in the power company"s.



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Chris Jones

01-15-2006 11:27:10




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to hay, 01-15-2006 05:11:33  
:) I hear you, but, well, ya know,
--one person's trash is anothers treasure
--opinions are like tail holes, everyone has one

I just had to say that, as the very thing you hate about the HPS light is the very thing my parents like about it vs. MV.



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Bob

01-14-2006 18:02:14




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to Chris Jones, 01-14-2006 17:18:08  
Possible failed parts include the photo contol, the lamp, the ballast, and the "ignitor".

The trouble is, the photo conrol is $6.00 to $10.00, the HPS lamp is $15.00 to $25.00, the ballast is $30 to $40, and the ignitor is $30 to $50, if purchased as replacement parts.

Yet, you can buy a complete fixture on sale for $18 to $30 at discount home improvement stores, such as Home Depot, Menard's, or Lowes.

Not really cost effective to waste too much time troubleshooting, and replacing parts at those prices!

Between my home, my farm, the shop, and my Church, I maintain about eleven of those fixtures.

When I see a unit on sale at one of the above-mentioned stores, I buy one or two, and then simply replace the cheaper, basic fixtures when one fails, or use the inividual parts from the cheap basic fixtures that come on sale to replace parts in the fancy units at the Church.

I have standardized all these units to 70 Watts, so I can use common parts between all of them.

If you use the bulb, and possibly one other part from an $18 or $25 fixture, the parts are cheap, compared to buying the individually.

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Chris Jones

01-15-2006 11:38:21




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to Bob, 01-14-2006 18:02:14  
I'd bet we're talking about two different HPS lamps. If not I'll have to get with you about buying some for me. Lowes and Home Depot both carry these lamps here. Lowes carries Regant and HD carries Lithonia band. Both sell for $69. I've never seen them on sale. Bulbs are $20. The last 2 they had were from Lowes. This time we got one from HD. I haven't been over there to install it yet. I'll probably wait till dinner time. Chances of getting a good meal for my labor are better then. :)

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Ralph - Ohio

01-14-2006 17:35:08




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 Re: high pressure sodium lamps in reply to Chris Jones, 01-14-2006 17:18:08  
I fixed one of these for a neighbor by replacing a bad resistor mounted on the inside near the lamp socket. I don't remember the value but was able to read the value printed on the old one. This light would come on for a minute or so, then go out and continue cycling on & off.



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