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Cutting Torch Decision

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Iowa Jim

01-14-2006 05:47:01




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Folks:

I posted this over on Red Power and thought I would get opinions from this site.

I am looking at oxy-acetylene torches. I have been to my local LinWeld shop twice, actually one in Des MOines and one in Omaha, and looked at three torches: Smith, ESAB, and Victor.

In Omaha today I found the Smith HD-510 kit with the "200" torch. They priced it at $340 with the MD 501 at $290.

I REALLY liked the "Dual Guard" system with the flame arrestor and gas mixer in the head, especially for a novice. I am leaning toward the HD kit since it is only $50 more and comes with a hotter rosebud, a third cutting tip, and a higher capacity torch.

I decided against purchasing the Victor Super Range II kit as the torch is too small for my hands, but have not looked at the Heavy Duty kit from Victor.

THe ESAB is the Purox GT-350 kit. I is a "special package" with only the cutting head. I priced it with a 44000 BTU heating head at $261.45. This torch has a 5 year warranty.

In summary, I am leaning heavily toward the Smith HD kit as I think it will be a Lifetime Tools for me, but would like to hear some other opinions.

Jim

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T_Bone

01-15-2006 03:33:47




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
Hi Jim,

About the only thing I can ad, is a good torch will be small bodied with light weight hose to keep hand fatique down so you can make very accurate cuts.

Even the smallest rose bud is more than enough for 90% of the requirments of a typical shop. Too many people expect instant heating and that just doesn't happen nor is it good for the metal being heated or cut.

A typical shop needs a small torch and single stage regulators and 3/16" hose for 15ft from the torch.

Although I'm a Victor 100 man myself, I bet Smith still makes a fine torch in a small size.

T_Bone

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Stan in Oly, WA

01-14-2006 18:28:43




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
Hi Jim,

This is a site that sells complete oxy/fuel welding/cutting outfits for considerably less than the prices you are talking about. He sells mainly Victor, Smith, and Harris new equipment but most brands of replacement tips (at least he used to.)

Link

An eBay search of "cutting torch" generates a list of hundreds of torches and related items. The prices seem low to me, but I don't claim to be especially well informed in this area. In 2005 I bought a rebuilt 24" Victor cutting torch for $53 including shipping, and a new Smith 22" cutting torch w/ lifetime guarantee for $74 including shipping, both on eBay. Last week a brand new Airco cutting torch went for $20 on eBay, but by then I'd come to my senses and didn't bid on it.

All the best, Stan

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Ultradog MN

01-14-2006 12:06:18




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
Jim,
I"ve had a Victor torch for 25 years now. Tips and the like are readily available at most welding supply outfits. I would buy another if I ever needed to. Probably wont. The one thing I would suggest is don"t buy the big torch set. My Victor is the next size smaller - called the Superange. I used to weld for a living and 99% of any welding/cutting you will ever do you can do with the Superange. But it"s so much lighter and handier than the big Clunky full size model especially when you are brazing or gas welding.
Smiths also has one about the same size if you have your heart set on a Smiths. As far as needing to cut heavy steel either one will cut up to 8 INCHES!! of solid steel. All depends on the size of the tip you"re using.
Good Luck
Jerry

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Davis In SC

01-14-2006 10:44:24




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
I bought a Smith HD set last year, I like it much more than the Victor set we have. The advice below is correct, about the rosebud.. I got the large one, & the tank cannot keep it going but a few minutes at a time. I need to pick up a smaller one...



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buickanddeere

01-14-2006 07:36:08




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
Have you considered LP and gasoline, yes gasoline I'm not kidding as well as acetylene? For plain simple little heating jobs I drag out a BBQ LP tank and a Benzo- Matic "Turbo Tip" or what ever it's called with it's 5 ft long hose. Cheap to purchase and to operate.



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Bluto

01-14-2006 07:19:33




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
A note on gasses and the bottle size.

If you plan on "really using" that heating tip (rosebud) and trying to heat large items consider a large, or very large acetyline bottle.

There's nothing as frustrating than trying to squeeze more gas faster out of a small bottle than it will deliver, only to make big bang sounds, and waste time and gas,while it almost heats up the project enough.

During extended cutting the oxygen bottle might be the first to run out. (of a similar sized pair)

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RustyFarmall

01-14-2006 15:05:35




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Bluto, 01-14-2006 07:19:33  
I have also had reccomended to me that if I was serious about a large rosebud, to be safe you would want several acetylene tanks connected with a common manifold. Something about the possiblity of drawing off the gas too quickly would result in actual liquid getting into the tip, which is not a good thing?



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DJM75

01-14-2006 06:25:16




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
here are some web sites were I buy all my welding stuff it's seems to be cheaper.
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Iowa Jim

01-14-2006 07:29:36




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to DJM75, 01-14-2006 06:25:16  
Actually, the price on the Smith kit is cheaper than anything I have found on the internet. I will keep looking to see if I can find something cheaper, but since I have to buy tanks I will probably go with Linweld ad do some negotiating.

This location is conducting a special on gas and "flat top" tanks this month so that will help too.

I thought about going with the TSC or Orscheln specials, but my father still uses the Victor torch my Grand father bought in the 1950s. I want something that will last and paying for quality is not an issue at this point.

Jim

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MarkB_MI

01-14-2006 06:08:46




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
You will have no regrets buying Smith.

The Smith tips are pretty expensive; if you know which tips you think you're going to need in the future, see if you can get the dealer to give you a discount on the tips if you buy the torch set. Smith has good website that you can reference to decide which tips you'll need. You'll probably want several brazing tips in addition to those included in the set.

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derekmcpherson

01-14-2006 06:04:40




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 Re: Cutting Torch Decision in reply to Iowa Jim, 01-14-2006 05:47:01  
yea, sounds pretty steep on pricing, but you'll think about it, and decide which is best for you.
Just fyi for pricing I bought fire power w/ cutting tip, brazing tip,torch, w/ 10' hose, both
regualators for 80.00 @ tractor supply it was discounted by 40 dollars for christmas. Good luck



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