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Suggestions for 12v to 120v inverter??

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Boyd in Mn

12-27-2005 22:22:47




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Anyone have any experience with power inverters? I will be buying a bigger one so I can run my electric impact wrench and a few other items in remote locations.




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jdemaris

12-28-2005 20:29:36




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 Harbor Freight 2000/4000 works great in reply to Boyd in Mn, 12-27-2005 22:22:47  
I've experimented a bit while building cabins in remote areas with no grid electricity. I wanted to use power tools but did not want to be starting a d*mn generator everytime I wanted to use something, and also, I didn't want to hear it run all day either. I started out using a lot or cordless tools and bringing lots of batteries. But, for big tools like a circular saw - forget it, it's a waste of time if you want to work all day. I found the best compromise was a battery and inverter. And, if the battery gets too run down, I run the generator to "fast charge" the battery. My Chevy Suburban has two starting batteries for the diesel engine, and one aux. battery in back. I sometimes use that battery. Then, if I drive somewhere, it automatically gets charged. I also bought two 12 volt deep cycle batteries at Walmart for around $55 apiece. Ends up I've never needed the two -since the one usually last me all day on an inverter, running a cirular saw, sawzall, etc. Now, with the inverters themselves - the lesser priced ones are "modified wave" and will not run a battery charger perfectly. Some battery chargers will barely put out half their rated output with the inverter, and most portable generators. Other than that though, you won't notice a difference between the cheaper modified sinewave models, or the high-piced true sinewave models. I have half a dozen small inverters ranging from 400 watts up to 4000 watts. I'll tell you the things I don't like about some of them. Many come with a cooling fan that runs all the time - and I can especially hear it at night if we are using the inverter to watch TV. That is why I don't like the Vectors. Maybe you don't care. But, some inverters come with a thermally activated fan that only comes on when needed - which is much nicer. As far as stand-by power-draw. If they are not automatic, they all, regardless of size, draw pretty close to the same amount of current when turned "ON" but not being used. I've got a couple of big inverters that are automatic - and sense demand - and draw next to nothing until you call for power - and then they turn on. They are very common in solar-electric applications such as the Xantrex/Trace models. If you want a recommendation. Just on a whim, I bought a 2000 watt fulltime/4000 watt surge inverter from Harbor Freight for $139. I expected it to be a piece of junk. Well, I love it. I used the heck out of it all summer, sometimes over the 2000 watt rating, it worked flawlessley, never got hot, and the thermal fan only came on once. I bought a second one just for a spare. The price now is $150 but it's still a bargain. A real pleasant surprise. Link

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Slowpoke

12-28-2005 11:58:30




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 Re: Suggestions for 12v to 120v inverter?? in reply to Boyd in Mn, 12-27-2005 22:22:47  
If you get one of more than about 400 watts, it will use power at idle if permanently mounted and not turned off. The higher the wattage the more power it will draw from the battery, so it must be turned off or disconnected when not in use. Read the specs on the package. It will give the idle milliamps used. Have extra fuses on hand, because sometimes starting equipment will blow a fuse. 400 watts runs my old Sawzall, but has trouble with the portable band saw. Remember that at 12 volts the amps put out by the battery for a 120 watts is 10 amps. If your tool runs at 6 amps, that's 700 watts, or over 58 amps. You need a good battery.

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Coloken

12-27-2005 22:41:31




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 Re: Suggestions for 12v to 120v inverter?? in reply to Boyd in Mn, 12-27-2005 22:22:47  
Just the bases of the one I have. Discount the rating (wattage)to about two thirds of what they advertise. Aims, 1250 max watts. Kicks out at about 800. Course it takes a good 12 volt battery and good cables to run a hundred amps.



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Boyd in Mn

12-28-2005 11:39:09




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 Re: Suggestions for 12v to 120v inverter?? in reply to Coloken, 12-27-2005 22:41:31  
So that basically would be stressing a battery and cables but not as much as starting the engine though?



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buickanddeere

12-28-2005 16:06:14




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 Re: Suggestions for 12v to 120v inverter?? in reply to Boyd in Mn, 12-28-2005 11:39:09  
The engine should start in 2 to 4 seconds. Using the invertor will draw the battery down over the span of 5 to 15 minutes of usage. Battery life will be shortened due to deep cycling. As previously stated huge cables and using an invertor with twice the name plate capacity of the load you are using is required. My GMC pickup has the 2nd "camper" battery that isn't used for engine starting. That is where I would connect an invertor to. I would bypass the idea of an invertor for anything larger than cell phone chargers, laptops etc in most circumstances. And go right to an ultra quiet variable speed invertor style 3000W generator.

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