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centering a shaft for lathe centers

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bil b va

12-25-2005 02:10:13




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need a easy method for finding exact center of shafts prior to drilling




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bil b va

12-25-2005 17:30:24




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to bil b va, 12-25-2005 02:10:13  

thanks for the help .



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timcasbolt

12-25-2005 16:40:49




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to bil b va, 12-25-2005 02:10:13  
Everybody has their own definition of exact. Midwest Redneck's method is the accepted way to produce a centered hole within a couple thousandths, which is usually plenty close enough. A center punch couldn't get you that close even if the stars are in alignment and lady luck just gave you tomorrow night's lottery numbers. Tighter tolerances would require turning down from a larger diameter.



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MikeCatthemuseum

12-25-2005 09:58:21




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to bil b va, 12-25-2005 02:10:13  
Exact center can also be found using hermaphrodite calipers if you have a set around. Set them to the approximate radius of the work (plus just a touch), rest the outside leg on the edge of the work and swing a short arc in the center. Do this at a few points and a pattern of intersecting arcs will start to form. The center, as with the centering head method described before, is in the unmarked area.

If you have no DI, you can also find center with a tool bit in the lathe if you can spare a few thou off the diam. Chuck work in the four jaw, ease tool up to within about 1/8" of the work. Rotate chuck by hand until it catches on the tool and move jaw on that side inward until it clears, repeat until chuck clears on all sides. Move tool within 1/16" and repeat. 1/32", 1/64", etc.. until you are close as your eyes can get.

Now rotate the work and see where the chuck grazes the work. Move that jaw in just a fraction of a turn (often it is a matter of tightening torque changes at this point). As you keep working this way, you will see the grazed spot wrapping further around the work. When it is 3/4 of the way around, you are within a couple thou at most.

This is actually a lot faster that it looks. 3-4 minutes and the work will be running true. Once you get the hang of this, you will throw your three jaw chuck in the drawer and it will likely hardly ever see the light of day again.

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MikeCatthemuseum

12-25-2005 10:01:39




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 12-25-2005 09:58:21  
"Now rotate and note where the chuck grazes the work" should read where the *BIT* grazes the work.

duhhhhh.



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Coloken

12-25-2005 06:53:55




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to bil b va, 12-25-2005 02:10:13  
I have a tool that looks like a 2 inch funnel with a center punch through the middle. It does a pretty good job of it. Like said befor, dial indicator.



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BobMo

12-25-2005 06:16:30




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to bil b va, 12-25-2005 02:10:13  
jmh is correct if you want the true center. If you do much machining a dial indicator is a must.



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eeleater

12-25-2005 04:57:47




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to bil b va, 12-25-2005 02:10:13  
Mark the end with some bluing- or a permanent marker, then use the "V" head of a combination square and draw intersecting lines using a needle to mark through the bluing. The lines may not go though the exact center, so make multiple lines and center punch the unmarked area in the middle if there is one.

Do not have a center? The traditional way was to use an odd leg center and draw a series of intersecting lines near the center, and then center punch the area in the middle.
You can do something similar with a surface plate- but if you are asking the question I would guess you do not have one.

I will confess that I have used a pair of old vernier calipers with a relativly sharp tip like the odd leg caliper would be used. It works- but would not do this with a "good" one

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Midwest redneck

12-25-2005 04:33:44




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to bil b va, 12-25-2005 02:10:13  
One way is to put the shaft in the chuck and center drill on side and then the other and then run the shaft between centers and turn the shaft true. But if you dont want to remove material off the OD then indicate the shafts in on the chuck with and indicator on the OD and center drill.



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jmh

12-25-2005 04:31:20




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 Re: centering a shaft for lathe centers in reply to bil b va, 12-25-2005 02:10:13  
Exact center is found with a dial indicator. jmh



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