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Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder

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Formerly PaMike

12-15-2005 15:06:34




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I bought new packings for my cylinders, and I installed the packing into the cylinder cap. After the packing, you put a flat washer, then a snap ring to hold it all in. The problem is I can get the cylinder rod through the packing when the snap ring isnt on, but when I have the packing compressed I cant get the rod through. If I tried to force the rod it wants to tear up the edge of the packing... Is there a special jig or fixure used to rebuild cylinders?

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NC Wayne

12-15-2005 21:12:23




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-15-2005 15:06:34  
Based on what your saying you've got the V (Chevron) packing in the head with the lips pointed in the proper direction (ie- the open part of the V points inward.) Like another post says there should also be a hard, formed bottom and a top piece that goes in the groove with the packing itself. Being Chevron packing the only thing that actually "loads" the seal is the pressure put on it by compressing it and putting in the snap ring. Typically these type seals are used in conjuction with a packing gland, that can be tightened periodically. This way as the seal starts to wear and weep the gland can be tighened to increase the load on the seals. I've never seen these type seals held in with a snap ring like your describing for this very reason. But you've got what you've got.... This being the case you can't simply leave a ring out in your application or It Will Leak because there will be no compression load on the seals. Now if the rod is tearing the packing going through there is most likely a square edge on the end where the piston bolts up. That edge isn't gonna go through the seals without causing problems. If that edge isn't tapered you need to take a grinder and put a slight taper on it. This ought to work and it isn't gonna hurt a thing when the cylinder is back together. If this doesn't work, and the the packing is wide enough to provide the needed clearances, the next thing to try is, of course, to leave them loose and not compress them til the rod is already in. In this case you can put the packing on the rod first, but in the future you can cut them at a diagonal to fit around the rod and replace them without totally diassembling the cylinder if need be. Basically all you need to do take a piece of pipe just a little larger in diameter than your rod but smaller than the OD of the retaining washer, and say 6 inches long, and cut it in half length wise to form a cuff. Slide all the packing down into the hole along with the washer. Now wrap the rod in masking tape, etc to protect the finish and put the length of pipe around the rod and clamp it looosly with hose clamps. Now, again providing the clearance is there, you now have way to push the packing down into the hole and still put the snap ring in place. If the eye end of the cylinder is shaped right you cshould be able let it hit the top of the pipe and use it to push the packing down in the gland and get the snap ring in the groove. If none of this wroks then the next thing I'd try, and personally I'd probably do this first anyway instead if using the Chevron packing, is to do what another of the posts suggests and find a "poly pak" urathane seal with the right ID, OD, and thickness to use in place of the Chevron. If there's enough room you may also be able to fit a piece piece of wear material in the gland to fill up any space the poly pak doesn't. Not knowing how much experience you've got with hydraulics I hope I've been clear enough in describing everything and haven't left anything important out, that I take knowing for granted, and made things more comfusing than the often are. If so please let me know and I'll do by best to clear things up. Good Luck. A good link to find just about any type of seal or wear band you might need is Hercules Hydraulics.

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Formerly PaMike

12-16-2005 03:23:11




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to NC Wayne, 12-15-2005 21:12:23  
Thank you Thank you Thank you. This has been driving me NUTS. You described everything well, and I completely understand. I was thinking of grinding a bevel on the rod but I didnt want to because I wasnt sure if it would screw anything up. Thanks again.



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alg

12-15-2005 18:40:05




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-15-2005 15:06:34  
Can you take one ring out.



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Jonathan in MA

12-15-2005 16:11:42




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-15-2005 15:06:34  
It sounds like you may have the lips of the seal facing the wrong direction. I'm assuming these are the seals in the rod guide that the rod slides into ... Face the lips of the seals away from the direction that the rod is placed into them... Then the seals wont be folded over.



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Formerly PaMike

12-15-2005 16:34:02




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to Jonathan in MA, 12-15-2005 16:11:42  
I have the lips turned the direction you mention, thats why I cant understand why it wont go together. I tried to press the rod through with our shop press but that just tore the new packing up.



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Bob

12-15-2005 15:10:30




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-15-2005 15:06:34  
I'm quite sure I'm following you, but I have used thin brass shim stock as a guide to get packing over a groove without tearing the packing, or some fairly tough mylar sheeting cut from the cover of a "report cover" from the office supplies aisle at Waldo World.



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Formerly PaMike

12-15-2005 16:40:14




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to Bob, 12-15-2005 15:10:30  
I will try to explain a little more clearly. The cylinder cap has a counterbore in it. You stack the packing down in the counterbore. You then place a flat washer on top of the packing. You then have to compress the packing and put a snap ring in. The rod then slides in the packing... The problem is when I compress the packing and put the snap ring in I cant get the rod in through the packing. If I put the rod through before I compress the packing, then I cant get the packing compressed to get the snap ring in.

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HWPa

12-15-2005 19:59:06




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to Formerly PaMike , 12-15-2005 16:40:14  
I believe you are refering to "V" packing. You should be able to remove one "V" from the stack put in your washer and snap ring then insert the rod. We use STP to help smooth in the rod. When the pressure goes between the piston and the gland, as in retracting the rod, eye, etc.The seals back up against the washer and snap ring. They will stay there because there will always be force there to push the seals towards the rod eye during the action of the cylinder. If you ARE refering to "V" packing there should also be a top adapter (and bottem adapter) to instil a flat shoulder against the flat washer. This helps to keep the seals from extruding through,with the oil pressure. LOL 8^)

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HWPa

12-15-2005 20:12:47




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 Re: Trouble Rebuilding Hydraulic Cylinder in reply to HWPa, 12-15-2005 19:59:06  
A better seal may fit as in a polypack or polyseal. Measure the cross section of the seal (the distance between the rod O.D. and the gland I.D.). Then measure the rod diameter. Then measure the depth of the seal. Example: 1/4" cross section, 2 1/2" rod, 1/2" depth = polyseal size is a 2500-2500-500B. (B is for bevel, rod seals are usually beveled) Also do not squeeze the depth. The seal likes at least 10% added area on the depth only.

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