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frank chop

12-09-2005 06:39:07




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i have been restoring tractors for a few years now , i have always had someone else do my welding for me.i would like to get a set up for myself and start practicing .i will be welding steel to make weight brackets and such for my sons pulling tractors .not sure if i should get a stick welder or mig. can someone offer some advice as to which way i should go. thks. frank




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Mac

12-10-2005 20:43:32




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
Besides being a bit too easy to make pretty welds that are cold , there are places on tractors and implements that you just can"t fit a mig gun without tearing the durned things apart.



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Gettin' Old

12-10-2005 20:21:15




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
If you want it to look professional, with little or no splatter and no fumes in your shop I use a Lincoln 225 mig welder. Most farm equpment is manufactured with migs.



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Arizona Bob

12-10-2005 14:01:49




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
I keep reading that MIG is best used for 1/8" stuff and it surprises me. I"ve got a wire feed and oddly enough I have more problems with the 1/8" stuff that I do with 3/16" and 1/4".

I don"t argue that a MIG is as good as a buzz box, given that all other things are equal.

Your mileage may vary.

Bob



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RickL

12-10-2005 05:58:22




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
get yourself a Lincoln stick welder,that wil do all you are wanting to do. The most importamt thing is use the right electrode 5/32-1/8- 5/16 etc and the different types.Also make sure you are not allergic to the fumes!!!!! !!!! Vent them period. I run a pressurized air welding helment thats the best thing I have done,as for years Ilived on the welder.



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Stan in Oly, WA

12-09-2005 18:35:43




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
Hi, Frank

You asked for advice on what kind of welder to buy, but old brought up something which may be even more important: where to learn to weld. If you have access to a voc-tech or community college (or high school) welding program, by all means sign up for a welding class. Here in Olympia, WA the age of students in the welding classes at the community college ranges from 17 to 70. Some of the youngsters begin with virtually no previous experience with tools of any kind, much less welding equipment. My point is, you're not going to be uncomfortable in that setting.

If you can possibly take a class, don't try to decide what equipment to buy until you've had the chance to play with what they've got. Try not to fall in love with the wire feed welders so much that you end up spending ten times as much as you need to for what you need to do.

Old said that wire feed welding is not as strong as stick. In practice it often works out that way because wire feed makes it easy to produce good looking welds that have little or no penetration, but I'm sure he would admit that a skilled user can produce equally good welds with either process. Old himself could produce perfect welds with wire feed because he's a highly experienced welder. Inexperienced or careless weldors, on the other hand, can produce absolutely worthless welds with the best stick machines available. There is simply no substitute for knowing what you are doing.

All the best, Stan

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old

12-09-2005 07:56:43




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
If you have a VO-Teck school close thats one of the best places to go to learn welding. Its not all that hard to weld but to do a good job welding takes years of doing it. Best welder I have ever had for the $$ is a good old Lincoln buzz box. Shoot they have been makeing them for so long that also most every shop has on or has had one at some time. I learned on one of the cheap ones and it was a pain in the A$$ to use. With stick wleding the biggest thing is learning the rod codes and what they can or can't do. Migs ok but the welds aren't as strong as stick.

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Lester Elwood

12-09-2005 07:56:30




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
Hi Frank Im a little embarresed, I sent you a reply and titled it to Tim, guess im not awake yet. Good Luck Lester



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Lester elwood

12-09-2005 07:52:15




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
Hi Tim Im no expert at welding but ive done a fair amount. I dont use a Mig aka wirefeed just because i am not comfortable with one. I prefer a stick welder and a Lincoln is my 1st choice. The one we have at work is a 225 amp with both ac/dc setup. Ive used one without it a local repair shop and for the difference in the money i would go with the ac/dc with both positive and negative adption.For the smoothest and best looking weld i use dc-. It does an excellent job and its easy for a beginner to learn with. Hope this is some help to you. I believe yoy can get a new one for less than $500.

Good Luck Lester

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lucasss

12-13-2005 11:47:12




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 Re: welding in reply to Lester elwood, 12-09-2005 07:52:15  
i agree on the lincoln 225 ac/dc . that ac will really burn it in deep on thick stuff and the dc is stable enough for the 1/8 inch metals. i got one ac/dc 225 stick and a mig lincoln and find the welding rods cheeper than the mig wire. and i seem to only use the mig on thin stuff cause it doesnt burn it in very deep.home depot has the ac/dc lincoln for 350.00 with 3 year warranty . lucas



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TimV

12-09-2005 07:26:49




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 Re: welding in reply to frank chop, 12-09-2005 06:39:07  
Frank: While you could write a book on this subject (and several people have!) a quick summary of the difference between the two methods is that wire welding is a bit easier to do (as you don"t have to take into account the electrode shrinking as you"re welding) but stick welding is a bit more versatile (as you can change the characteristics of your weld by just changing electrodes). There"s a lot of info in the archives on this site--just click on "search this site" at the left and put "welding" into the search box. In particular, our resident expert, T_bone, has written several good articles on the basics of welding, which are well worth a read. If you are going to be welding anything over about 1/8" thick, don"t buy a 110 MIG--they"re best used on thin stock, and will be a frustration to use on thicker material. A good "first welder" would be a Lincoln AC225--availible used for $50 and up, and a perfectly servicible welder for nearly any application except the most demanding, such as pipeline or x-ray quality welds. Buying a name-brand 220-volt MIG would be more expensive, but it would also work fine for 90% of what most home welders are apt to need. In most cases, you"re wise to stick with a name-brand welder--Lincoln, Miller, and Hobart (which is owned by Miller) are three of the biggest names, and all of them do a good job of supporting their products. While some of the off-brand welders will work fine, the casual user will often have a harder time finding parts and consumables should that become necessary. Also, some of the very cheap welders are pure frustration to use, particularly for a beginner, as their arc quality leaves a lot to be desired. You"ll spend more time unsticking your electrode than you will welding, and the weld quality will not be up to the level of the better welders.

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