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Useing a lathe

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Fawteen

12-01-2005 15:50:32




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I just recently started working at the local cannery. In our shop, we have a good-sized Hendey lathe that nobody uses (it's left over from the days when they manufactured their own cans and had a fully equipped machine shop).

I'd like to try to learn how to use it. I've got the basics figured out, and have turned and bored a couple of simple bushings and such, but I'd really like to take advantage of the opportunity.

Can anyone recommend a good text on the subject? I know "book larnin'" isn't the best way to learn such a complex subject, but it's the best I can hope for for now.

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Hendey Lathes

12-02-2005 08:07:13




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 15:50:32  
My dad had a small tool & die shop, and he had 2 Hendey lathes. They were made in England, and dated from the 20's or 30's. Nice machines, you could do some real nice work on em. I think you might be able to get a manual online. My dad has been looking for an old Hendey for a couple of years now. If I can find a reasonable one, I will buy it for him. Good luck and have fun. These other guys gave you some good advice on manuals and books. Easy.

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doorman

12-08-2005 18:31:18




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Hendey Lathes, 12-02-2005 08:07:13  
There is a Hendey lathe in the auction this Sat. in Bolivar Tn. I don"t know what model it is. You can check the auction website for the phone # www.lynnjacksonauction.com



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MikeCatSMF

12-02-2005 20:54:37




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Hendey Lathes, 12-02-2005 08:07:13  
Hendey's were made in Connecticut. Parts are now available from a guy in Arizona. Check out the PM antique machinery forum for more.



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Fawteen - EXCELLENT!

12-02-2005 01:48:41




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 15:50:32  
I'll be hitting Amazon.com when I get home from work this afternoon. Thanks, everyone!



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Midwest redneck

12-02-2005 01:16:12




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 15:50:32  
I have a text book called "Machine tool practices" 1979, Authors are Kibbe, Neely, Meyer, White. Excellent book. It was a text book for a MS class that I had in 1989. It goes through Milling machine, Lathe, Saws, Surface grinder. It does not cover, Jig Borers, vertical lathes, Or boring mills but it is a great book.



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dr.sportster

12-01-2005 20:23:09




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 15:50:32  
Its sad to say but the two best books I got my freind found in the high school dumpster while dismantling the machine shop.Machine Tool Operation,volume one and two.About the only thing I couldnt find out was cutting an inside taper.Had to do that trial and error in aluminum practice runs and check with dykem paste until I got it right.Other than that they cover almost everything.Some school board paid alot of money for these.I wish he took every one of them and not just one copy each.For some reason in the eighties kids stopped signing up for metalshop classes.

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Ford Man

12-01-2005 18:07:28




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 15:50:32  
Fawteen,
You have gotten some good advice.You may want to look at Lindsay Publications for some books. There are also some good websites out there like metalillness.com .

One thing you need to make sure is that you work safely. That means all the time ! Safety glasses , no loose clothing or long hair and NEVER , NEVER WEAR GLOVES WHILE MACHINING !!!!!

I have been a professional machinist for 20 + years and have never had anything worse than a cut. We had a very experienced ( 30+ years ) machinst get tangled up in one of our CNC lathes earlier this year. He was sanding the scale off some hot rolled steel and one of his gloves was grabbed and it pulled him in . Long story short , he was sucked in and broke both arms VERY badly and would have bled to death if the second shift guys not put tourniquets on his arms right away.He was airlifted to a major hospital and was able to keep both arms but will probably never work again.

Just be really carefull !!!

I now work in the office but had to go out to the shop today to show one of our guys how to single point thread on our engine lathe. See , everything is going to CNC now so very few know how to do things manually any more. I had a real blast running that lathe and within 30 minutes we had cut some really nice threads.

Something you may want to look into is taking a class at your local community college. I taught machine shop for a couple of years at night and several of my guys were there just to learn how to machine at home.

Just my .02 worth

Ford Man

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John Garner

12-01-2005 17:55:23




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 Good books on the subject in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 15:50:32  
Fawteen --

I'll suggest Volume 1 of Machine Tool Operation, written by Axelrod and Burghardt and published by McGraw-Hill, which I consider to be one of the very best basic machine shop textbooks books ever written. It's been out of print for a number of years, but there were lots of copies printed and it's fairly available in the used book marketplace. (Still, I'll suggest borrowing a copy from your local library, on an inter-library loan if necessary, to see if Axelrod and Burghardt's style of teaching fits your style of learning before you put the effort into hunting down a used copy.) There were several editions, any one of them published between say World War II and the late 1960's should meet your need.

Another excellent book covering lathe operation, this one still in print, is Machine Shop Practice written by Karl Moltrecht and published by Industrial Press. I'm pretty sure that when Moltrecht wrote his book he thought he was writing a mechanical engineering textbook, but he does a superb job building a tradesman-level foundation before getting to the production-engineering considerations. Amazingly, Machine Shop Practice sells for a very low price; the major mail-order machine shop suppliers (MSC, Travers Tool, KBC, Enco, and so on) and the mail-order booksellers usually offer both volumes separately for about US$ 25 apiece.

Finally, the "classic" is How to Run a Lathe, originally written for and published by South Bend Lathe Company. Needless to say, it focuses on South Bend lathes exclusively, but it's still an excellent little book for the learner. The last I heard, South Bend was getting somewhere around US$ 20 for the latest edition (which still shows its age), but Linsay Publications sells a reprint of a World War II vintage edition that you can probably get for around US$ 10 including shipping.

Another thought: Hendy was considered one of the US's premier makers of lathes, known for both their strength and precision. One thing Hendy did that most other makers didn't do is fit a reversing mechanism and single-dog clutch to their leadscrew so that the "half-nuts" did not need to be disengaged at the end of a threading cut. Instead, the leadscrew's direction of rotation was reversed so that the carriage was retracted under power. Because the half-nuts remained engaged to the leadscrew throughout the thread-cutting process, there was no need to have a "threading dial" to tell the lathe operator when to re-engage the half-nuts. Most other-make lathes used a threading dial, and that's what the textbooks teach when it comes to threading on a lathe.

Once you're ready to try cutting threads, I suggest that you post a question asking for guidance on using the Hendy leadscrew-reversing system at either the Practical Machinist (www.practicalmachinist.com) or Home Shop Machinist (www.homeshopmachinist.net and the click on the link to BBS).

Finally, spend some time at this website:>Link

John>Link

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Butch(OH)

12-01-2005 17:51:42




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 15:50:32  
A good basics book is a smart move and will do you a lot more good than a night trade school assuming you have that farm raised common sense. Here is one I have that will get you interested in a mill too. I learned late in life and dont know how I got along without my lathe, next thing ya know you will be hunt'en down some old machine tools for your home shop,LOL. good luck.

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TimV

12-01-2005 15:59:26




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 15:50:32  
Fawteen: A good one for the basics is the mini-lathe home page--www.mini-lathe.com . It"s designed around the small 7 x 10 (or 12 or 14) Chinese lathes, but a lot of the principles are still appliciable. Another one is the metalworking forums at Chaski--there is (or at least used to be--I haven"t been there much lately) a bunch of good info there.

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Fawteen - Thanks

12-01-2005 16:30:16




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to TimV, 12-01-2005 15:59:26  
That's a good resource, and I appreciate the lead.

Still, I'd like an old-fashioned book that I can take to work and lay on the bench beside the lathe to refer too. Of course, a T1 and a laptop would be better, but...

";^)



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TimV

12-01-2005 16:41:27




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen - Thanks, 12-01-2005 16:30:16  
Gotcha. The secret is to memorize a couple of chapters each night, then use them the next day, then repeat from step one.... Alternately, (though it isn"t a book per se) here"s a couple of good online link pages. There"s a section on books that might give you some leads. >Link

Link

practicalmachinist.com

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Fawteen

12-01-2005 16:45:13




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to TimV, 12-01-2005 16:41:27  
There ya go, and thanks again!



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TimV

12-01-2005 16:55:51




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2005 16:45:13  
F14: No problem. Probably the seminal text on such matters was the "American Machinist"s Handbook". It"s long out of print, but you can probably pick up a copy on e-bay or Amazon. Also, the Machinery"s Handbook is another benchmark--pretty spendy at around $100, but has everything you"d ever want to know and a lot of stuff you don"t... Unfortunately, both are rather long on tables and graphs, and rather short on "you move the long lever three clicks until the cutter goes "snap", then back off one click and use a new cutter" type of step-by-step instruction.

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Ol Chief

12-01-2005 17:44:05




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to TimV, 12-01-2005 16:55:51  
Check with South Bend Lathe Co.and also Atlas Clausing Lathe Mfg.Co. I think they provided books on the subject.



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JMS/MN

12-02-2005 08:47:05




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Ol Chief, 12-01-2005 17:44:05  
www.southbendlathe.com



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Ol Chief

12-01-2005 17:37:56




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to TimV, 12-01-2005 16:55:51  
You may have some luck checking with used book dealers and search for an (Audels ) book on machine tool operation.I believe that firm is out of business now but they were prolific providers of very good texts on every mechanical subject.I practically grew up in a machine shop from age 10 and recall their many publications in the 1930 s and 40 s that covered just what you need.



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Bill in TN

12-02-2005 15:11:15




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 Re: Useing a lathe in reply to Ol Chief, 12-01-2005 17:37:56  
Forget the books..... ..do you have a state vocational school close by? Around here, the classes are a couple of nights a week, about 3 hours a night and go about 9 weeks. They usually don't cost much..... I'm the kind of guy who likes hands on instruction where I can ask questions and learn from other students as well..... I think, that there is also an 18 month certification course if you decide you like it and want to get deep into it..... ..Heck....I probably ought to be going myself!

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