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larry in tn

11-30-2005 06:29:55




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My Crane central unit has decided to die. The heating side has given up. The thing is beyond reasonable repair. The unit is approx. ten years old. The dealer tell's me the warrenty has expired. This unit though expensive was never very good. I had to spend money on it every year. Nothing that broke was ever under warrenty according to the dealer. It stands to reason that this brand and this dealer will get no more money from me.
A seemingly popular brand in my area is Goodman which I've not had any experience with. It's no cheaper than the other brands but the dealer/installer is well spoken of and the units have a good warrenty. Can anyone tell me about this Goodman brand. I'm about to put out $2800 for something and I want better than what I've had.

Larry

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David - OR

12-01-2005 06:40:15




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
High dollar HVAC contractors tend to look down on Goodman because Goodman is sold through many different venues and made available to small-time installers, home builders, and even apartment house managers.

Companies/Brands like Trane have a "protected dealer" network and their products are only available from a limited number of places.

There is a huge price difference between Trane and Goodman. There used to be a fairly large quality difference as well, but Goodman's products have steadily improved, and they've taken so much of the market that they've pretty much figured it out. Plus Goodman offers a very good warranty, in part to combat their past image of "low quality".

Most of the difference in price today between Trane and Goodman goes to pay for glossy brochures, national advertising campaigns, and higher profits for the protected dealers.

Carrier makes big equipment for large office buildings. They should know how to make reliable gear, but their quality may have suffered due to the price competiveness of the residential market.

The effectiveness and reliability of any HVAC equipment is also a pretty strong function of the design of the overall system (especially ductwork), the work of the installer, and the work done by any repair and maintenance people.

Most ductwork in newer homes is under-sized, poorly installed flex duct run hither-and-thither through attics by underpaid immigrant labor. It always seemed idiotic to me to spend the effort to insulate and seal a home, only to send all the heated/cooled air outside the home for a trip through the unconditioned attic. But then Mrs Homeowner would rather have an extra bonus room than have the contractor figure out how to keep the ductwork inside the house.

A good contractor will inspect your ductwork and recommend equipment that he knows he can maintain. For most people, the quality of the contractor makes more of a difference than the brand of equipment. Obviously, the guy you have been using doesn't make the grade, and should be "fired".

You can learn more about these issues at "HVAC-talk dot com"

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Steve/TN

12-01-2005 06:21:28




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
Larry, we've had good luck with our York. I had to go out back to see what kind it is. If it were a pile of junk, I would have known the brand name. I think we have had this unit for 16+- years. We had to replace the gas igniter and maybe one other small part.



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Ford Man

12-01-2005 04:57:26




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
Don"t know about Crane.

We had Trane heat pump , air conditioner and gas furnace in our last house. 15 trouble free years.

We are building a new house and our builder has recomended that we use either Trane or Goodman.His HVAC contractor says that they are made by the same people.Goodman has a really good warranty and are becoming very popular around here.He says that we can save about $ 2200 by going with Goodman.

The house we are renting has a Goodman heat pump and it works just fine.

Just my .02 worth.

Ford Man

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larry in tn

11-30-2005 15:22:41




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
Hey Guys
I goofed. The unit I'm replacing is a Carrier. Don't know where the name Crane came from. Thanks for taking time to help me.

Larry



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Dick2

11-30-2005 14:57:22




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
I got bad reviews on Goodman when I started looking for a new heat pump and good reviews on Amana. Bought an Amana and had trouble with it twice - then I found out that Goodman owns Amana and they wouldn't fix anything under warranty. The best reviews were on Trane and American Standard (same unit, made by Trane), but I could not use them in my location (didn't want the exhaust fan right by the bedroom window). Higher SEER is good, but don't pay too much difference from one level to the next or you'll never get a payback. If you have the time, do some competitive pricing.

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Kelly Campbelll

11-30-2005 12:06:49




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
I have two goodman units at my place both on diferent structures. They both do a excelent job, have never had any problems out of either of them. BTW both systems were installed by different HVAC contractors, Goodman is what they recomended.

Good Luck

Kelly



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bigdog746

11-30-2005 10:03:26




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
I had a Goodman Heatpump installed last spring the air side of works great and the heat side has been great this fall I think the warrenty is one of the bestin the industry the dealer that sold it stands behind all he sells, never a problem very happy with Goodman. but again that is just my .02 opinion



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Galen

11-30-2005 10:02:50




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
Never heard of a Goodman (or Crane)! I've got a TRANE, that has been good so far (this will be the second winter with it). I'd stay away from York, Lennox, Carrier and an assorted lot of others. Trane and Ruud are big around here. I did find out that I could have my cousin do an install of the furnace/heat pump/AC for about $7000 less than the local guy - and he had to travel 6 hours to get here from Mexico, Missouri! So, there has to be a incredible markup on these things!

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Able

11-30-2005 09:52:55




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 Re: Central Air and Heating unit question in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
here in nc comfortmaker i think thats the name is popular,very dependable and the service is good. not sure who makes them,but when this one plays out i will get another.



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steve from mo - dangit!

11-30-2005 09:11:15




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 Just my opinion. in reply to larry in tn, 11-30-2005 06:29:55  
There"s a brand made in St. Louis called Miller or something like that. All generic parts, like Fasco fans, Square D electric, GE controls. Good warranty and the company stands behind it. I have one and it"s run two years without any attention other than regular service.

I would avoid repeat business with the brand you have, and probably with the guy who installed it. A warranty is only as good as the "interpretation" you get when something breaks.

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