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Calling carpenters that use shapers

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Kevin (FL)

11-22-2005 06:00:59




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A friend at church has an older model Craftsman shaper for sale. We're doing some home repairs here and for family members in Katrina land--lots of custom wood work, shelves, walls, casings, etc. My question is related to the width capacity of most shapers to make moldings. Can most shapers handle the standard 1x4 lumber? In other words, are bitts (cutters?) available that can be used to form the entire 3 1/2" width? Or do you have to buy two cutters and shape one half of the board on the first pass and then shape the other half on the second pass? Last two questions--do shapers have the same mandrels and method to mount the cutters? Do I have to buy cutters of the same manufacturer as the shaper?

Thanks for any advice or comments.

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cj3b_jeep

11-23-2005 11:04:41




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 Re: Calling carpenters that use shapers in reply to Kevin (FL), 11-22-2005 06:00:59  
Shapers do make quick work out of cabinet door rails and stiles. Your can also make the raised panels, but bee very careful, I've seen wood come out of them at 300+ MPH!



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-22-2005 20:08:46




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 Re: Calling carpenters that use shapers in reply to Kevin (FL), 11-22-2005 06:00:59  
I agree with what Evil says about 1/2" shapers.

They can't make 3 1/2" mouldings, not that there is much demand for them. What they can do, however, is an amazing variety of smaller cuts, and the 1/2" cutters are much cheaper than the larger ones. A major cost of construction is the small pieces of trim. In a few minutes with a shaper an operator can turn out a hundred dollars worth of perfectly acceptable door moulding, quarter round or cove, in the wood of his or her choice. A reversible glue joint cutter takes some fiddling to work, but will greatly ease large gluing jobs and reduce the number of clamps needed by assuring allignment of the pieces as well as doubling the strength of the joint.

Tongue and groove joints are a great help in restoration construction. You can repair damaged panels, flooring, wainscotting which would otherwise have to be replaced.

A friend gave me a 1/2" shaper some years ago. How much does a free shaper cost? In my case about $500 in carbide cutters, purchased on the Internet.

Last year I started the reconstruction of an 1827 stone house. One of the first tools bought was an elderly Poitras 3/4" shaper. More cutters, as the Poitras doesn't have a 1/2" spindle. But so far I have made siding, the ceilings, the hardwood flooring, the windows and the doors, using up about 5000 bd feet of lumber to date. The cutters all still look like new. Trim and cabinets await. It doesn't take long to get the investment back on a shaper.

I still use the 1/2" shaper for some operations on the windows, but I much prefer the sturdier 3/4" machine with the power feeder for most cuts, large and small.

Remember the real cost is in the cutters (and the power feeder), and a good 3/4" machine is much more versatile than a 1/2". Elite Tools is a Quebec firm with a store on eBay. I find they provide very prompt service with good prices on excellent shaper cutters.

Hope this helps,

Rod

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evilboweviel

11-22-2005 09:43:49




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 Re: Calling carpenters that use shapers in reply to Kevin (FL), 11-22-2005 06:00:59  
to run a 3 1/2 cutter takes a stout spindle should be at least 1" solid or 1 1/4" changeable.
Craftsman is 1/2" way too light. Better choice would be a moulding planer.
Good luck
Ron



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Kevin (FL)

11-22-2005 13:32:38




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 Re: Calling carpenters that use shapers in reply to evilboweviel, 11-22-2005 09:43:49  
I see what you mean about the molder-planer--I should have known that the shaper wouldn't fit the bill and I wonder if would ever use the thing now that I've looked into it a little deeper. Basically, it looks like the shaper will just do edges and maybe some lesser width boards--maybe 1 1/2"-2" size.

Thanks for the info--a big help and BTW I see the planer molders are in the many thousands of dollars--can't afford that anyway....

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evielboweviel

11-22-2005 16:58:48




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 Re: Calling carpenters that use shapers in reply to Kevin (FL) , 11-22-2005 13:32:38  
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evielboweviel

11-22-2005 16:45:24




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 Re: Calling carpenters that use shapers in reply to Kevin (FL) , 11-22-2005 13:32:38  
look at>Link
Link href="http://www.woodmastertools.com/s/planers.cfm(I have owned one of these for 20 years)">Link
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or look on ebay for a used machine
there are more on the market that would be good also.
good luck
Ron

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