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Dangerous .22 semi-auto

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Rod in Smiths F

11-20-2005 18:11:59




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My mid-70's Lakefield-Mossberg .22 semi auto discharged the other day when I released the safety. This rattled me because it was the first time a gun had gone off on me since I started hunting at age 9.

I blamed my gloves, but when I ran through the routine without the glove it discharged again. After two hours of tinkering with the trigger mechanism I realized that I have a gun that will cock anytime, but will now only fire when upside down or vertical. This sounds like a recipe for tragedy to me.

Before I schedule it for a date with a cutting torch I thought I'd ask if anyone has ever had a Lakefield-Mossberg .22 do this?

As a former hunter safety instructor, I'd suggest that if you have one of these guns around home, keep it away from anyone but yourself until you are sure that it is safe. The local gun store guy blamed the failure on excessive oiling, and suggested that I take it to a gunsmith. I think a cutting torch would be better. I have other .22's which don't have a deadly design flaw.

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Bret4207

11-22-2005 15:23:11




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Rod- "Deadly design flaw" is a bit strong. It could be nothing more than simple wear and tear. I'm not making light of the situation, but a competent gunsmith should be able to determine the problem. Over oiling can lead to build up blocking trigger return springs and such causing a similar malfunction. Find out whats wrong before you torch it.



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Oliver

11-22-2005 08:43:12




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Daisy made a little .22 auto that would sometimes go full auto as I recall. When I started collecting the Daisy .22's, I wrote them about getting a clip and they paid me to return the gun to them. When I got it back it had a new stock in addition to whatever else they had done to it. I don't think most companies want a gun with known defects out in the world when they are able to take care of the problem.

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Bill in IN

11-22-2005 06:56:46




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  

I would notify Mossberg. It would be nice of you to let them know and evaluate the problem. If it is a design flaw, then you may be saving someone else from going through what you are- or worse.



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Bison

11-21-2005 22:42:20




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
I have a 30-06 with the same problem, take it of safe and kaboom every time. can do a lot more damage than a .22 I can't get it fixed.
So i do not use safety and only load when ready to shoot and never more than one shell at the time.



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T_Bone

11-21-2005 13:42:23




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Hi Rod,

I bought a new Sterling .22cal handgun for the wife. About 10 rounds the ejector broke off. I took it back to the dealer and "requested" He send it back to the factory for inspection and repair. Got it back a couple months latter and the same thing happened but this time ripped open my thumb so I called the factory and asked where to send the law suit papers. I found out the Dealer I bought it from had it repaired locally and had not sent it back to the factory. Factory repaired and no more problems. Dealer went out of business with-in a week of my phone call to the factory and I always wondered if the factory had anything to do with that.

I also had my over/under 12ga 3" discharge while closing the breech while sitting in a goose blind. It blew the breech closed thank GOD. I never did find out what caused that but suspect I had a grain of sand on the primer when I closed the breech but I couldn't prove that.

One just can't stress enough about gun safety. Just one little mistake can ruin a person life forever.

My Daughter-in-law father killed himself when he was carrying his shotgun on a sling and tried to cross a fence without setting down his weapon first.

He kicked the shotgun butt as he went thru the fence discharging the shotgun to the back of his head. His hunting partner observed this from the other side of the cannel. He had to run two miles to cross the cannel to see if he could help him, he couldn't swim, and was before cellphones as if that would have mattered. He no longer owns a firearm even tho the firearm had nothing to do with the cause of this horrible accident.

T_Bone

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MAC,IL

11-21-2005 12:06:01




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Guess a lot of things are not fool proof. I think I would contact mossberg first. Used to hunt with a guy. went to pick him up, he got a mossberg shotgun out of the cloaset, layed it on a bed and got his hunting cloths on. When he picked it up, it went off and you should seen the matress. Never hunted with him again. Now I have a remington 700 BDL I used to varmit hunt with. It has an adjustable trigger pull and very good instructions. I set it to easy, when you would bolt in a round, soon as you lowered the bolt handle it would fire. Thats scarey also. But my fault as I tried to tune it to a very fine trigger pull. Deer hunting season now, already one fatality.

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Davis In SC

11-21-2005 09:47:09




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Back in the 80's, I had a Mac-10 Clone, 9mm, (Semi-auto version) Had a 32 round stick magazine in it.. My brother wanted to shoot it, after a few shots, the sear broke, & it shot the 30 or so remaining rounds. Fortunately, he was able to hang on to it... Factory sent a new sear, modified from the old style, free. I just never trusted it again, sold it to a dealer that specialized in that type of guns...

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pbutler

11-21-2005 06:12:53




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Sure highlights what I was always taught about NEVER point a gun at anyone-loaded or not-safety on or not.

I collect old russian military guns-really cheap junk. I have an SKS (AK Knockoff)-it is a semi-auto but every once it a while when you shoot 1 round it will fire 2 or 3. Scared the snot out of me the 1st time-just always very careful now.



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RN

11-25-2005 17:05:49




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to pbutler, 11-21-2005 06:12:53  
SKS double/triple firing? Known problem with some US sporting ammo with copper primers. Firing pin is floating, original military ammo primers were hard brass or mild steel marginally recessed in cartridge base. Also could check to see if you can get a small return spring installed around your firing pin to prevent inertia firing when bolt block goes into battery. Check Mitchel for spring for Yugoslav model 59, 59/66 they import, also noted to be fittable to former east german SKSs. Norinco may have a part number for their imported chinese models. Rifleman had short article couple years back on spring and ammo incidents. Hakims - Egypt- noted to have same minor problem, SOF had short article about spring fixes, bellville washer for firing pin to help retract instead of sticking out bolt face and firing open bolt. RN.

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Pajamafied John

11-21-2005 16:01:39




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to pbutler, 11-21-2005 06:12:53  
Happens with the M-1 Garand too when they heat up. Some years ago when qualifying at a DCM range for an M-1 the one I was shooting "cooked off" 3 rounds when I wanted to shoot one. The M-1 is an outstanding weopon with decent accuracy.



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Pajamafied John

11-21-2005 16:01:49




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to pbutler, 11-21-2005 06:12:53  
Happens with the M-1 Garand too when they heat up. Some years ago when qualifying at a DCM range for an M-1 the one I was shooting "cooked off" 3 rounds when I wanted to shoot one. The M-1 is an outstanding weopon with decent accuracy.



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Pajamafied John

11-21-2005 16:02:00




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to pbutler, 11-21-2005 06:12:53  
Happens with the M-1 Garand too when they heat up. Some years ago when qualifying at a DCM range for an M-1 the one I was shooting "cooked off" 3 rounds when I wanted to shoot one. The M-1 is an outstanding weopon with decent accuracy.



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MarkB_MI

11-21-2005 03:30:39




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
I would certainly report the issue to Mossberg.

There was a similar problem with the Remington Model 788. Remington lost a product liability lawsuit to a man who was paralyzed by a 788 that discharged when the safety was taken off.

The Remington case is well known in the firearms industry; I'm sure any manufacturer is going to take a report of a similar issue very seriously.



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Leland

11-20-2005 21:21:59




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Call mossberg and explain the problem to them they may fix or give you a new one free , they gave me no crap when my older 835 went guffy they don't like being sued .



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Steve Crum

11-20-2005 21:13:14




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
I don't know if it's true or not, but Dad would never let me have a Mossburg shotgun because he said they were prone to misfire. When I wanted a new shotgun, he insisted I save a little longer and buy an Ithaca.



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Stan in Oly, WA

11-20-2005 20:57:02




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Hi, Rod

I have to say I really have mixed feelings about the situation you described. One part of me is inclined to agree with what the earlier responders say about treating it like any other tool that malfunctions but can be fixed. Another part of me feels differently. Maybe repair will prevent that particular problem from ever occuring again, and maybe no other problem with the rifle will create a dangerous situation. But how will you know? You're not going to live forever (no offense,) so if that rifle is around when you aren't, someone else is going to have it. I don't know anything about Ontario, but I'd still bet that not as many people there have been handling firearms since before they were nine as when you were a kid.

I had a Jennings .22 LR pistol once that was probably the worst made firearm I'd ever owned, but I was always strangely fond of it. One time I was trying to determine why it was having a feeding problem, and it discharged while I was cycling a magazine of ammunition through it. Put a hole in my kitchen counter, and made me say "Gosh" real loud, several times. The spent casing didn't have a striker mark on the rim; it turned out that the extractor had hit the sidewall of the casing forward of the rim hard enough to set off the priming compound. Bad cartridge? Bad extractor? Scared dogs? Irate wife? Who was to say?

I went to the trouble of buying a new extractor and spring from the gun parts place that old told you about, but before I sat down to repair the pistol I thought, am I ever going to trust this gun again? Would I ever feel all right about someone else having it, whether they knew it's history or not? I decided the answer was no. Like you, I had other, and better, guns and no real need of this little Saturday night special. Besides, like I said, the only thing it ever had going for it was that I was somehow strangely fond of it.

All the best, Stan

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John in MA

11-20-2005 20:00:46




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Why ruin a gun if it just needs some work? I wouldn't say it's common, but it's an issue with a lot of guns. Certain brands of semi-auto pistols especially. Usually something worn in the trigger group. A little work will sort it.

An equally dangerous problem, but one that's even more common, is decockers causing a gun to fire. In some cases it's just considered SOP and to avoid using it.



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NC Wayne

11-20-2005 19:37:41




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Hey Rod, you wouldn't torch up your old tractor just because the steering linkage broke and made it unsafe to drive, so why blame the rifle and take the torch to it because it has a broken part? Instead take it to a reputable gunsmith and let him repair it. Dad had a 12ga double barrel Ithica that went off one day, about 20 years ago, when he closed the breach. It really scared the crap out of both of us because it went off extremely close to my feet. Turns out something had broken internally on his last shot and blocked the firing pin in the out position so it struck the primer when he closed her up. He took it to a local gunsmith and had it repaired and hasn't had anymore problems out of it since. There doesn't necessarily have to be a design flaw for something to break, all it takes is time and wear. Every machine made is prone to failure and a gun is no exception to that rule. Being a former safety instructor you ought to know that that's why safe handleing is so important with any gun no matter what kind it is. The first two of those rules Dad always taught me were that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun and NEVER point the gun in a direction it wouldn't be safe to shoot. In my experience if Dad hadn't been "following the rules" and been holding the gun with the muzzle pointed at the ground I would have caught the blast right in the chest instead of simply being scared sh-tless. Again don't blame the rifle for a broken part, it's been used for 30 plus years so it has a right to have some problems. Get it fixed and pass it own to the next generation, along with the knowledge you've gained from it and most importantly with the knowledge to handle it SAFELY wether it malfunctions or not. Just my .02

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old

11-20-2005 18:38:18




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 Re: Dangerous .22 semi-auto in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2005 18:11:59  
Shouldn't be to hard of a fix theres a place called gun part that will probably have what you need. Sounds like its like a lot of old tractors and just needs some TLC. gun-part.com also works. Shoot they have parts for guns that you wouldn't believe.



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