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Miller Challenger 170

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Harry

02-06-2001 09:53:53




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I'm new to this site. I'm repairing my farm tractors and received a lot of good info from that discussion group. I've been thinking about getting a mig or tig for sheet metal repair on my old tractors. I run accross an add selling the Miller Challenger 170 w/bottle and cart for $750.

Is this a good machine? Is that a good price?

I would appreciate any information you could give me.




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Chris Graves

02-06-2001 20:19:12




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 Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Harry, 02-06-2001 09:53:53  
Harry,
I just happened to think , you might want to consider a Hobart machine . Hobart has a wire welder about the same size as the Miller XP-130 that comes with the gas regulator . Pricing is $50-75 cheaper than the XP-130 without the regulator . It is not quite as well built as the XP-130 ( plastic drive wheels ) but it should do really well . Look in the Sears tool catalog .

Good luck and enjoy !

Chris

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Harry

02-07-2001 09:56:23




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 Re: Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Chris Graves, 02-06-2001 20:19:12  
I was wondering about a Hobart. I had seen one in the TSC store on a gas bottle cart. Thanks.



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Mark Kw

02-06-2001 18:37:52




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 Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Harry, 02-06-2001 09:53:53  
FYI Harry, I have a C-H 130 amp 240 volt inverter stick machine that I absolutely love. While the duty cycle is low, the weld parameters are beautiful. The arc characteristics of this machine are as good if not better than most of Miller's selling for over 2 grand. I weld for a living and I was quite impressed by this one considering it's smaller than my lunch box.



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Harry

02-07-2001 09:45:39




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 Re: Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Mark Kw, 02-06-2001 18:37:52  
Sounds good, thanks.



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Chris Graves

02-06-2001 15:29:36




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 Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Harry, 02-06-2001 09:53:53  
I just bought a year old XP-130 for $400 . It had hardly been used at all .

It came with a spool of flux cored wire . I played with it a bit and did not care too much for the flux cored wire . I bought a gas bottle , regulator , hose and roll of wire for another $115 .

Man what a diference !

I did some test welding on some 1" square x 16 gage wall tubing . It did a great job . Strong welds and no burn through . This is a good machine for sheet metal and lighter welding chores . Best of all it is 110 volt so I can weld at my house or out in the field with my generator . .

I do have a Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC welder that I use for heavier stuff at my Dad's shop .

The Chalenger 170 has more amps than the XP-130 and should be a good all around sheetmetal and medium duty welder .

You can't go wrong with a Miller ! They are some of the best machines around .

Just my $ .02 worth !

Chris

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Harry

02-06-2001 17:13:47




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 Re: Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Chris Graves, 02-06-2001 15:29:36  
Thanks Chris Graves. I have a stick (Lincoln) welder but I have not run it for 20 years. I always burn a hole, not good. I think a light duty would do. I don't plan on a lot of work so I should probably keep the cost down. So it sounds like the XP - 130 would be OK and maybe save some money too.



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Harry

02-06-2001 17:13:23




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 Re: Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Chris Graves, 02-06-2001 15:29:36  
Thanks Chris Graves. I have a stick (Lincoln) welder but I have not run it for 20 years. I always burn a hole, not good. I think a light duty would do. I don't plan on a lot of work so I should probably keep the cost down. So it sounds like the XP - 130 would be OK and maybe save some money too.



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Mark Kw

02-06-2001 15:01:19




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 Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Harry, 02-06-2001 09:53:53  
This is a 170 amp machine that will do fine for sheet metal with solid wire to .030" and 11 ga. steel. It is best suited for use on 16 ga. or lighter steel running .023" solid wire.

This is a light duty machine and should not be expected to do anything more than light sheet metal. If you are looking for something to do a bit heavier material, look at the XP-130. If you want an excellent all around mig, go for the Millermatic 250. Of course these all come with price tags to match their capabilities but Miller builds an excellent machine.

If you are doing strictly light work in a limited capasity and are concerned about price, take a look at the bigger Campbell Hausfeld mig's. These run around $450 to $650 depending on sales and are a good hobbiest machine for the price. I'd have to say that the Miller is a better investment but a C-H that is taken care of and not beat to death will also last you many a years.

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Harry

02-06-2001 17:31:30




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 Re: Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Mark Kw, 02-06-2001 15:01:19  
Thanks MarkKw, I've seen those C-H welders at the TSC store but I didn't think about them because I had some pour experience with a C-H roof nailer, I guess. With information from you I think I'll take another look at them. Since I don't plan to use it a lot it may do just fine.



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Mark Kw

02-06-2001 16:41:04




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 Re: Re: Miller Challenger 170 in reply to Mark Kw, 02-06-2001 15:01:19  
I screwed up in my previous post. I said the Miller "XP-130" when I meant to say the "Millermatic 185". Sorry about that.



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