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George in Bilox

11-14-2005 10:49:12




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Hey y'all,
I am in the market for a new radial arm saw. I wanted to get y'alls opinions on who has the best for the money. I will be using it mainly for framing and perhaps some trim work.

Thanks in advance,
George




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J.C. IN AZ.

11-15-2005 12:29:41




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
My older Black and Decker -Dewalt is permanently installed level with my 12' bench top where it does a wonderful Job at Cross cut mainly. However for all around use my Dewalt 12" Mitre Saw is the tool of choice. I also have one of the Delta [Taiwan made I think] 10" Mitre Saws for portable use and it also does a good Job considering what it cost.The Delta is from Lowes and cost around $100.00 M/L. My opinion.John

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George in Biloxi

11-15-2005 08:39:48




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
Thanks for all of the help. It looks like a miter saw is the way to go. Again, thanks y'all.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-15-2005 08:56:27




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-15-2005 08:39:48  
Then your choices are even more interesting. Makita makes a fine 10" sliding compound mitre saw. I would recommend it if you tend not to bounce your tools around in a truck. If you do, get a 12" CMS, without the sliding function. While a 10" slider will outperform it, my 12" Delta is a tougher machine.

From what I've seen of 8" and 10" cms's, I don't think they are as well-built as the next price-level up.

In the off-brand category, a fasteners store in Ottawa seems to sell King 10" sliding cms's by the truck load.

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George in Biloxi

11-15-2005 11:24:17




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-15-2005 08:56:27  
This caught my eye. Whatcha think?



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George in Biloxi

11-15-2005 11:25:16




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-15-2005 11:24:17  
D@mn, here it is.

http://www.this-is-great.com/info/9-xbffffrxjlxcxh



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-17-2005 19:58:29




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-15-2005 11:25:16  
I've never used that type of sliding cms. The Makita's problem is the rails below the cutting head where they can be easily knocked out of allignment. This one has its rails higher, in what one would think would be a more secure position, if you didn't use them as handles for lifting the machine.

Maybe someone else has experience with these saws.



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chvet73

11-15-2005 07:15:33




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
Have 2 used Craftsman, one at each house. Paid $75 for one (like new) and $45 for the other (needed a good dose of WD-40 to loosen it up). Both still work perfectly.



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DJM75

11-15-2005 05:23:41




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
best value and bang for your buck would be a craftsman or a delta both are excellent and will last for years.



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BillR-CA

11-14-2005 23:33:45




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
My FIL gave me a Craftsman radial arm saw and I like it a lot. It's 10+ years old, and it cuts true. It is a modern saw (not cast iron) and it is fine for framing and trim (As a mentor once said, "we're building a house, not a piano"). You can get a used one for a very reasonable price.

For framing, my first choice is a Skil Saw. I have a Mag 77 which I use all the time.

Overall my top 10 saws are:

1. Skil saw
2. table saw
3. chain saw (under-appreciated for home building and home improvement projcts ;-) "Put a door here? No problem!"
4. radial arm saw
5. vertical band saw
6. horizontal band saw (ok, for metal but cut me some slack)
7. various abrasive cutoff saws (well, a whole lot of them...cut me some more slack)
8. hand saws (ok, I use them a lot, but they don't justify my tool budget.)
9. torches, etc.
10. any other saw I can reasonably justify to my wife.

Bill

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George in Biloxi

11-15-2005 08:28:09




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to BillR-CA, 11-14-2005 23:33:45  
Thanks, enjoyed your post.
George



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John,PA

11-14-2005 20:43:40




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
In the Biloxi region, I would recommend a good "miter" saw would be in more keeping with framing. The radial saw, being one of those "do-it-all" machines has the reputation of not doing anything right. The portability of the "compound-miter saw" is a great advantage when it comes to setting up a framing operation.

Watch "NORM" on PBS, after a year, he only uses his DELTA radial arm saw 2 times. However, he uses his MITER was a lot.

Hope this helps.
Good luck in BILOXI.....John,PA.

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mace56

11-14-2005 19:02:21




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
I would buy saws in this order.
1. Skil saw, can do everything, just not as accurate.
2. Good table saw, can do about everything except framing cuts. Only way to go for ripping.
3. 12" Miter saw. Once you have it you will need both 1 and 2 a lot less. Limitted to cuts up to 2x8 but that is 95% of what most do.
4. Radial arm, always wanted one but can't think of many things not covered by three previous saws. Take up a lot of space for occasional use and not very portable.

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JA from Va

11-14-2005 18:45:56




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
Hello, Grew up in the late sixties with my dads
Craftmans RAS.Bought a used one in the early
eighties.Took a magnet to make sure it was
a cast iron arm.Great machine that I still
own but my miter saws get used a lot more.
Used both ,liked both, but RAS are old tech.
Just go out and buy a decent electric
miter saw and you'll be happy. JA from VA



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-14-2005 18:07:43




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
If you are going to buy a RAS, buy an old one, preferrably from the seventies or earlier.

I've seen too many Sears models with motors quitting after very little use. The basic model I bought from Sears in 1970 still works, but a fancy Sears electronic model I bought in the late 80's has cost a great deal in repairs, including circuit boards (none of which now work) and motor.

I use it for all my ripping, though, several thousand feet of material a year. It's a one-man operation with a RAS, and the saw takes up much less space than a table saw. For crosscuts I use a Delta 12" compound mitre saw, the first tool I have ever owned which is accurate. A skil-saw does rare centre cuts on plywood.

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Stan in Oly, WA

11-14-2005 18:02:38




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
Hi, George

Picking up on what Bernoulli said in his earlier post, I've heard that the versatility and portability of power miter saws and compound miter saws has just about made radial arm saws obsolete. A Craftsman 10" RAS was my first major tool purchase (major to me in 1975 being a tool that cost more than $100.) I used it a lot while I was renovating old houses and could leave it set up in one place for a reasonable amount of time. When I started doing more remodeling contracting, it was just too much trouble to haul it around.

I think a RAS, like a full size table saw, is a good tool in a shop. A power miter saw and a benchtop table saw make more sense to take to a jobsite. On the other hand, my BIL has a small production woodworking shop where he has all the common shop tools. When I go in his shop I always note that his Delta-Rockwell RAS (60+ years old and probably only good for another 150) is collecting cobwebs while his Ryobi/Hitachi/Makita/whatever compound miter saw always appears to have fresh sawdust on it. He's nothing if not practical.

Just my $0.02, Stan

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Kelvin

11-14-2005 17:37:47




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
My Daddy has about a 30 year old Craftsman. I used to build cabinets and I would put it up against any miter saw made. It did require care in all the adjustments to get that accuracy, however its been years since I set it up.

The last time I was in Home Depot they had a similar but updated model in their Rigid line.



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poor tom

11-14-2005 17:16:15




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
I have 2 radial arm saws in my shop but I wouldn't want to use them for on-site trim carpentry. They are good for crosscutting large boards or narrow panels mostly. For trim carpentry I'd want a good sliding mitre saw. Take a piece of the biggest crown moulding you expect to use to the tool store and see which saws will cut it best for you. Then see how heavy it is if that matters, I like Makita's tools. Durable without weighing a ton.

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the tractor vet

11-14-2005 16:46:12




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
I have and older Craftsman radial arm and i found it i a mini merchant i gave 80 bucks for it and had to make a new table up and by a blade and two bearings made a couple adjustments and it has done a fine job , would not sell it for five time the money.



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Bernoulli

11-14-2005 14:13:09




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
Radial arm saws are excellent tools but you might find that a sliding compound miter saw is more useable. They are safer to use and easier to transport. I have a Dewalt DW708 12" -retails for around $600. I really don't think that any of the new RASs are worth owning. I would look for an old one with a cast iron arm. It will stay aligned far better than one of the new sheet metal and plastic saws. Dewalt is a good choice there as well. I hope the following url will get through. It's a RAS group.
http://login.prospero.com/dir-login/index.asp?webtag=woodbutcher&lgnDST=http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Edelphiforums%2Ecom%2Fwoodbutcher%2Fstart

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RustyFarmall

11-14-2005 13:38:57




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to George in Biloxi, 11-14-2005 10:49:12  
Don't know about new saws. I have a Craftsman, made by Sears and Roebuck. I'm guessing it is over 40 years old. I have owned it for about 6 years, and I am very happy with it.



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Mel in SW Iowa

11-14-2005 20:19:15




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-14-2005 13:38:57  
Has anyone tried to convert a RAS to a RAmetal saw with a carbide metal cutting blade?
Thanks,
Mel



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-15-2005 04:54:39




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to Mel in SW Iowa, 11-14-2005 20:19:15  
They'll cut thin aluminum and brass with the existing carbide blades, but I'd draw the line there. Do you really want that saw climbing back towards you on a cross cut if it sticks?

If I needed to rip sheets of soft metal I'd most likely sandwich the metal between layers of scrap wood and cut away.

A band saw does a great job on aluminum and brass with a regular blade, and is much safer to operate. Just don't try to use a blade for wood after cutting ABS.

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Mel in SW Iowa

11-15-2005 05:28:49




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-15-2005 04:54:39  
Thanks,
I have very little experience with a RAS. I have a cold cut metal carbide saw that does such a terrific job on 1/8th and 1/4" mild steel, but the
accuracy of the cut is so dependent on my eye and hand.

Wishful thinking to combine the two.

Could a RAS with metal cutting blade safely make cuts from outside to inside?

Thanks, Mel



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Slowpoke

11-20-2005 23:09:43




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 Re: Radial Arm saws in reply to Mel in SW Iowa, 11-15-2005 05:28:49  
I would not try to cut metal with a radial arm saw. The blade will try to climb up on the metal. If the motor has enough power it will force the arm itself up out of alignment and the blade will come right at you over the top of the metal, possibly comming off the track and hitting you in the chest. You will not be able to hold it back. The correct way to use the RAS is to keep your arm straight because the same thing can happen even with easy cutting wood.

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