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Different ways to heat houses and workshops

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Midwest redneck

11-14-2005 02:45:28




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Three threads below is a do-it-yourself oil burner for workshops. I was thinking with all of our knowledge on this site I would like for us guys to think of different cheaper ways to heat our homes and workshops. With fuel oil and Propane at record highs I think that we could save a few bucks. Here goes: 1. Wood stove (I already got one) hard to run it all the time, away at work, sleeptime, etc. 2. pellet stove (I would like to get one) 3. corn stove (cheaper then pellets I guess) 4. oil burner (waste oil has to be less then Propane or fuel oil.) 5. Geo-thermal, lot of money for setup of lines and stuff. I guess these are popular south of the mason-dixon line. 6. outside wood boiler (never seen one) 7. Solar (expensive setup I would think) Okay fellas, I thought of a few, but I am just a dumb northerner. I will spend over $1,500 this year on Propane, I dont know which is the cheapest to setup and run but I think a pellet stove may need to be put in my house to cut down on that Propane bill.

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Farmall Teen

11-17-2005 16:48:39




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
Here's an idea for getting your stove started. In my uncles shop, we have an old fuel oil tank turned into a wood stove. The way we start our fires is fill it up, to light some paper next to the door. Once the paper is going, we turn on the oil gun. The oil gun is like a flame thrower, except we use old motor oil for flame fuel. Works really nice, warms the shop real fast. After we got the wood inside the stove going, all we do is keep on putting more wood as needed.

Farmall Teen

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Richard Scott

11-15-2005 16:37:06




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
A guy in town heats his shop with an oil furnace he converted to run on waste crankcase oil. Gets his oil from the school bus shop & heats his shop for free. Don't know what it takes to convert the furnace.



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john d

11-14-2005 19:53:34




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
I'm usually only in my shop area for a couple of hours at a time in the winter, therefore it doesn't make much sense to heat the thing. I don't mind the cold if I can take the edge off of it where I'm working, so I generally suspend a halogen shoplight above me. It puts out lots of light, and considerable heat - sometimes too much for the top of my nearly bald head!



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

11-14-2005 19:41:23




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
Geo thermal, water lines are buried below forst level or looped inside a well, so their effiecicy is the smae in norhtern climates, plus they air condition.

Ouside boiler - load once or twice a day, also expensive to install. heat only. use about twice as much wood as a stove, and have to be fired all the time. they use water and will freeze if not fired in cold weather.



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mace56

11-14-2005 18:52:56




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
I have 4" insulation all around my 22x25 garage. I just use a small torpedo heater. I try to turn it off if I am dealing with fuel lines, etc. Some hate the smell but I am used to it. Works good for me cause I usually can only plug away a few hours after work. I crack a window if I will be out long and it is really cold.
I really can't heat enough for painting in dead of winter but beats working in cold.
just built a 24x30 garage, no heat there yet. Still thinkin.

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Charles (in GA)

11-14-2005 19:13:01




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to mace56, 11-14-2005 18:52:56  
I have a torpedo/bullet heater. You MUST be very careful with these, they produce lots of carbon monoxide (CO) and that is odorless and colorless. Clings to the red blood cells and prevents Oxygen from entering the red blood cells. If you get CO in your system it takes hours to leave and you could very well die from lack of oxygen, even if they are pumping it into you. Dangerous stuff.

You will get a headache first, but you have to have enough sense to heat the area and shut it off. They are too loud to have around and work anyhow.

Charles

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Cliff Neubauer

11-14-2005 16:19:17




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
We've got an A-Maize-Ing Heat 165,000 btu corn burning furnace in our shop nad it worked great last year. Our shop is 40x40' with no insulation and I was burning 3-5 bushel of corn per day depending on how cold it was, I left the thermostat set at 60 degrees and it would hold there on all but the coldest nights. I have about $5,000 in the furnace, chimney, thermostat and duct work but last year I figured I was saving over $10 per day over LP and it will probably be closer to $15 this year. For next year I'd like to put a stand alone corn burning stove in our living room and use the LP furnace for backup heat but it will require removing part of a wall to do.

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Harvey1

11-14-2005 13:24:06




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
I had a Harmon pellet stove installed last year, I beleive it was around $1500.(Canadian). During the coldest months I burn no more than a bag (40 lbs) per day at approx. $4.00 per bag. I clean it once a week and that takes about 20-25 minutes, I love it.



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jim charles

11-14-2005 11:54:39




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
i have a outside boiler,a heatmor to be specific..i use it to heat the house,domestic hot water,and garage..outside stoves are hungry though..so you should like to do wood if you buy one..



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Joe in MN

11-14-2005 14:02:59




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to jim charles, 11-14-2005 11:54:39  
I use to have a Heatmor, they don't install the best insulation on them, I now have a Woodmaster, and much much better, out side Boilers have to have the best insuation, or all your doing is heating the Out side, and it takes a lot of wood, with mine, I heat 3500 sq feet and domestic hot water, and when the temps are down to 20 above to zero, I fill it ONCE a day, mine is a Model 434, I'v owned it for 5 years, I own 10 acres of woods, so wood is not a problem, The key is working with a Good product, you get what you pay for.... happy heating .....

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cj3b_jeep

11-14-2005 11:38:34




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
I have a wood stove I was going to heat my garage with (it"s 24x40) but the local regs make the pipe outrageous to run. Also, If I want to work in there for 3 hours in the evening, I did not want to spend the first 1/2 an hour getting it warm. I found one of those bullet heaters at an auction last summer for $12 and it was full of kerosene. It"s not a pretty unit, but that 90,000 BTU"s sure heats my garage quick. Kerosene is also outrageous, but at 1-2 gallons a week I can stand it.

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caseyc

11-14-2005 10:43:50




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
i heat my small workshop with a wood stove, works great. my big shop gets warmed up with a propane convection heater, i used two 100lb cylinders last year so i'm not too worried about the price increase. the house is all electric. it's not bad but could be cheaper so we are installing a corn stove in december when ours comes. 150bu/ac corn around here is easy so i'll just have to hold back a small wagon from going to town when i harvest. i have a cleaner already so i'm set.

casey in SD

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DJM75

11-14-2005 10:03:56




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
I seen a guy on rfd tv that made a outside round bale burnere and it was cheap to burn and last a couple of days at a time ery ingenious I thought.



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paul

11-14-2005 08:52:35




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
I would not get a dedicated wood pellet stove. You cannot produce your own fuel, so you are in the exact same boat as electric, propane, or fuel oil..... Dependent on whatever the supplier charges you. Wood pellets are a specialty product, will they be around in 15 years, what will they cost, how many companies are producing them?

Get a stove that burns corn or pellets. Then you have options. Pellets if you can afford them.

Corn has been around a 100 years or 2. Cost is pretty darn stable these past 30 years, should be available & priced right for another 30. There are almost 2 million 1000 folks willing to sell you a couple 100 bu if you ask them. If all else fails, you can grow 200 bu of corn pretty easily....

--->Paul

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buickanddeere

11-14-2005 06:43:37




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
Corn and/or coal stoker with auto ignition and thermostaic control. Good for up to a week unattended.



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Steve Crum

11-14-2005 05:14:02




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-14-2005 02:45:28  
Propane has nearly doubled in price in this area this year. I only cook and heat my hot water with it, but my average monthly payment is almost $120.
I'm getting concerned that the water heater is getting on in years and might become a problem (leakage wise). This is the first time I've considered putting in an electric hotwater heater.
The electric co-op has several incentive programs right now to install an electric hotwater heater so now might be the time.

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kelly campbell

11-14-2005 09:41:30




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Steve Crum, 11-14-2005 05:14:02  
look into a on demand elec water heater, you might pay more up front but well worth it in the elec savings, thats going to be my next water heater.



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Charles (in GA)

11-14-2005 19:07:45




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to kelly campbell, 11-14-2005 09:41:30  
Look at the amp draw on ths instant elect water heaters. It is VERY high. You will need a very good elect service to operate one of these.

A friend installed one of the propane instant water heaters. You have to plan its use, turn on the shower water and let it run till the hot water reaches it. If you want just a moments hot water in the kitchen or bathroom, you won't get it, not with elect or gas instant whole house water heaters.

Charles

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Dusty

11-15-2005 08:04:28




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 Re: Different ways to heat houses and workshops in reply to Charles (in GA), 11-14-2005 19:07:45  
I use a radiant heater, 4" tube with a LP gas burner (could be nat. gas or oil). Very efficient, gives quick heat. I keep the shop at 48 when not working in it and 58 when working.

Dusty



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