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Welding on an air compressor tank

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chvet73

11-13-2005 19:14:41




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I have an old Mongomery Wards 20 gallon compressor. It had a leg under the tank to support the side opposite the wheels. It was welded on. The welds broke and the leg is off it. There have been many discussions about welding on tanks in this forum. The general attitude is don't do it.
So my question is, would it be safe to weld the old leg back on to the tank?




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Ducknose Bob

11-15-2005 13:30:13




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 Re: Welding on an air compressor tank in reply to chvet73, 11-13-2005 19:14:41  
The proper way to weld a pressurized vessel is to put a doubler on the tank, have the welds inspected, and have the welding done by a certified welder.
Unfortunaltely, most farmers are nothing but daubers who think they can weld, as evidenced by the many re-welds done over the first break.



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chvet73

11-16-2005 07:27:23




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 Re: Welding on an air compressor tank in reply to Ducknose Bob, 11-15-2005 13:30:13  
By the way I'm a shop teacher not a farmer. You seem like a nice guy.



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NO GO BOOM!

11-13-2005 23:14:40




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 Re: Welding on an air compressor tank in reply to chvet73, 11-13-2005 19:14:41  
PLEASE DEPRESSURIZE FIRST!!!!



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chvet73

11-13-2005 21:20:14




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 Re: Welding on an air compressor tank in reply to chvet73, 11-13-2005 19:14:41  
Thanks for the answers. I"m going with Old"s advice and make a band type leg. I can weld that to the motor mount area.



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old

11-13-2005 20:53:23




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 Re: Welding on an air compressor tank in reply to chvet73, 11-13-2005 19:14:41  
Not something I would recomend but I've done it before and had no problems. But I did weld for a living for around 10 years. What might be safer to do is make a band that would bolt around the tank and weld the leg to the band then bolt it on.



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Joe(TX)

11-13-2005 19:32:18




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 Re: Welding on an air compressor tank in reply to chvet73, 11-13-2005 19:14:41  
I've done it, but be careful. Don't use too much heat an undercut when you weld. It's not recommended. The asme rated tanks are thicker and are less of a problem.



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T_Bone

11-14-2005 07:05:35




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 Re: Welding on an air compressor tank in reply to Joe(TX), 11-13-2005 19:32:18  
Hi Joe,

Undercut comes from faulty weldor maniplation of the electrode mostly from incorrect arc length ie; too long of arc length. This will cause the molten puddle to blow out from the base metal thus underfill the crater thus leave a undercut weld when cooled. Also with a long arc length you do increase the heat of the electrode and base metal as a shorter arc length welds slightly cooler with more molten puddle control.

To fast of travel will also cause undercut as it doesn't allow for the crater to be completely full before moving the electrode.

It's really important to watch the molten puddle while welding and reconize the difference between the slag pool and the molten pool of the weld puddle. The slag pool forms mostly on the lagging edge then slightly forms on the leading edge of the molten puddle and has a dull apperance. Do not let the slag pool distract your attention away from the liquid weld puddle.

The pure molten pool of weld will be slighty shinny with the center being mirror like and this is the pool that you need to pay close attention too. This liquid pool needs to fill the weld zone crater completely on both sides thus leaving behind no undercut before any travel movement.

Correct electrode angle is 0� to 15� of vertical in the direction of travel. Too much more than 15� then the molten puddle will be pushed to the back of the heat zone thus leaving behind a slight undercut or more likely to heavy of a bead build up when cooled.

I weld pretty hot, with 1/8" electrodes I push 150amps easy but I have seen one other weldor that put me too shame that ran about 170amps and neither weld had any undercut but I do agree it takes alot more concentration to control the molten puddle at the higher amperage.

T_Bone

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been there

11-14-2005 02:17:55




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 Re: Welding on an air compressor tank in reply to Joe(TX), 11-13-2005 19:32:18  
bleed it off and leave a line open so it can vent when it heats up and youll be ok. key is leaving it open to vent



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