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Forced air outside woodburner?

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Butch(OH)

11-11-2005 19:00:20




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I like the idea of having the woodburner outside but don"t want to spend the big bucks for a hot water system plus I already own a large Timbereez(15 years old) wood/coal forced air add-on. Another problem is I need to do something with the chimney if I keep the add-on in the basement. I have been toying with the idea of building a hooch for it outside. Thinking along the lines of a slab, block walls and concrete roof. Am lost for ducting the return and warm air though. Has this been done or a pipe dream? Will have to spend money one way or the other, chimney, boiler or hooch. Will be next heating season before it gets done anyhow or should I just be looking for best loan rates to get a hot water system? All ideas appriciated.

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T_Bone

11-13-2005 00:38:44




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 Re: Forced air outside woodburner? in reply to Butch(OH), 11-11-2005 19:00:20  
Hi Butch,

Ya it can be done but it's not easy as you need to insulate both the supply and return air to keep moisture low, below the dew pooint, so you don't get a mold growth.

Another consideration is your current heat exchanger is 15yrs old and just about the right age to start leaking. May be right after you move the unit outside would be my guess.

I'm not a fan of the liquid to air heat exchangers using antifreeze as a transfer medium as the effeicency is low comparred to a straight water system using a differential controller for freeze protection. Of course area location can cause alot of design changes.

T_Bone

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JMS/MN

11-12-2005 19:49:50




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 Re: Forced air outside woodburner? in reply to Butch(OH), 11-11-2005 19:00:20  
The only caution I have for you is this: About ten years ago a house burned down a couple towns away- had a forced hot air system outside, ducted into the house. Couple people died. Ducting was flammable, dried out the house wall material..and it burned up when the stove got too hot. Overcome that condition and you should be ok, but I like the idea of an outside boiler and water at 165-180 degrees.

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MPND

11-12-2005 16:27:22




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 Re: Forced air outside woodburner? in reply to Butch(OH), 11-11-2005 19:00:20  
I put this link in the boiler post furth down but it should be helpful here too.



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jdemaris

11-12-2005 13:54:32




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 Re: Forced air outside woodburner? in reply to Butch(OH), 11-11-2005 19:00:20  
For a long run, a water-to-hotair heat exchanger is a good way to go. They are available to fit just about any size hot-air plenum. It is standard procedure when installing an outside boiler to hook to an inside hot-air unit.

I installed a hot-air wood furnace in it's own room attached to the house and it is connected to the hot-air furnace in my basement. Total run from furnace to furncace is about 40'. I used flexible plastic drain pipe with flexible-insulated heat-duct pipe inside of it - and buried it. It has worked fine.

If you decide to hook hot-water to hot-air it is pretty straight forward. If you decide to hook hot-air to hot-air it gets more complicated. You must fabricate a back-flow device so either furnace can be used independently if desired.

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INTOTRACTORS

11-12-2005 06:41:12




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 Re: Forced air outside woodburner? in reply to Butch(OH), 11-11-2005 19:00:20  
BUTCH
WHAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT DOING WILL WORK.
THE MAIN THING IS TO SIZE THE SUPPLYAND RETURN
DUCT RIGHT.ALSO HOW MUCH AIF YOUR ADDON WILL
MOVE AND AT WHAT STAIC PRESSURE.IHAVE REPAIRED
AND INSTALLED ALOT OF THESE SYSTEMS.TOM OFVA
ISALSO RIGHT ABOUT WOODHOTBOILERS THEY ALSO WORK WELL.BUT THEY ALSO NEED TO BE SIZED FOR
AIR FLOW AT YOUR INDOOR WATER COIL .WATERPIPEING
IS ALSO INPORTANT FOR TEMP.RISE IF I CAN HELP WITH YOUR QUESTIONS LET ME KNOW.

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VaTom

11-12-2005 03:42:15




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 Re: Forced air outside woodburner? in reply to Butch(OH), 11-11-2005 19:00:20  
Butch, a simple solution would be to use a common wood-fired boiler in your hooch and take the hot water (or antifreeze) and run it through a radiator in your existing air stream.

I dismantled several solar systems that used that method to get heat into a forced air system. Looks a lot like a truck radiator. Only saved the one that I'm going to use in our next house. That will be a wood-fired boiler (inside) used as a backup heating system to add some heat to our air system if the primary heat has a problem. My houses don't resemble most in that they require almost no heat (or AC) to start with. But the principle's the same.

Kind of a long trip here, but I have a huge surplus wood-fired boiler. Turned out to be way too large for my needs.

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Midwest redneck

11-12-2005 03:27:36




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 Re: Forced air outside woodburner? in reply to Butch(OH), 11-11-2005 19:00:20  
I thought of doing this too, but I have a 5 course block crawl space and I would get a big pellet stove outside and blow the hot air into the crawl. Please let us know if you do this I would like to maybe try this on my own.



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Leland

11-11-2005 21:03:10




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 Re: Forced air outside woodburner? in reply to Butch(OH), 11-11-2005 19:00:20  
I saw a guy who buried a piece of 30" plastic sewer pipe and ran both ducts thru it and sealed it good and has had not a single problem .



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