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Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compressor

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Robert (AL)

11-11-2005 17:02:55




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I need help, to safely make up an extension cord to power a 220v air compressor.

My generator accepts a L14-20 plug for 240 output.
I purchased a male plug that has a neutral, ground, and two hot terminals, and 10-3 wire for the cord.

The compressor has a 220 on/off switch.

I hooked it up the same way it was previously hooked up on a 20 amp. outlet from the house, but i'm only getting 120v at the compressor.

Any help will be appreciated...

Thanks,
Robert

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Charles (in GA)

11-13-2005 15:33:40




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Robert (AL), 11-11-2005 17:02:55  
Actually, after rereading your original post, I realized you have what you say is 10-3 wire. Is that 10-3 w/grd? If so, it has a black, red, and white wires, in addition to the bare or green wire.

If this is what you have, you don't need the white wire for this application, since your receptacle on the compressor end will not accept a white wire, no place for it. That is why I suggested you fold the white wire back.

If you meant 10-3 INCLUDING the ground, then you only have a white and a black plus the ground, and this is where I suggested you re-mark the white wire to red on each end, it connects to the hot terminals.

Charles

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Mark - IN.

11-13-2005 00:56:33




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Robert (AL), 11-11-2005 17:02:55  
Take a volt meter and read the source (generator) legs before plugging into it. It's entirely possible that you have a bad coil at the generator. That may not be the case, but could be. If you're reading 110/120 from both hots to neutral and ground, and 220/240 across the two hots, then it's a good bet that you have one of your hots crossed with neutral to the compressor. I cant say for sure, but if you had it crossed with ground, it'd either shut down the coil (hot leg associated with it) at the generator, or you'd get the living stuff shocked out of you everytime you touch the compressor if its chassis isn't grounded and you are.

Something else, after you get that straightened out. The guage of the wire that you're using and its length. Too small of a guage will get you going, but will heat up and shut down your compressor motor as well as cause it to overheat. Those small 12 or 14 guage orange type extension cords bought from Menards or where ever? They don't get it. Can cause a fire too.

Mark

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Robert(AL)

11-13-2005 20:04:39




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Mark - IN., 11-13-2005 00:56:33  
Mark,

I have three wires coming out of the compressor.
white,grey, and a bare copper.

The prevoius owner had a 220 wall-type on/off switch installed on it.

The grey and white were plugged into the back of the at the load terminals, and the bare copper wire to ground. The line treminals had the grey and white wires so, I assume the white(normally neutral) was being used as one of the hot wires.
I hooked it up the same way, on my generator, but it wouldn't run the motor fast enough. I finally wired it up directly to side terminals at the load side and it ran ok, but the pressure switch wouldn't work, and I didn't have an on/off switch.

I'm going to find another switch, one of the screws won't tighten properly, and try the original configuration again. That 10 ga. wire is hard to work with, if you are an amateur like me.

Thanks for your suggestions. I'm using 10 ga. cable; 10-2 with ground.

Robert

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buickanddeere

11-13-2005 11:41:38




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Mark - IN., 11-13-2005 00:56:33  
A 12 or even a 14 gauge cord is heavy compared to what most people try to use. A 12 amp load on 200ft of cheapo #16 or #18 cable just makes a large electric heater. A 12 gauge cable should be able to run 100ft with a 20 amp load wihtout excessive voltage drop. Probably a little over 200ft is going to the max allowable with 5% voltage drop.



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paul

11-11-2005 22:58:56




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Robert (AL), 11-11-2005 17:02:55  
I believe Charles has you in the right direction here.

It is common to _not_ count the bare or green whire when talking about a wire run, so it sounds like you actually have a 10-2 with ground wire that you are using?

A 10-3 wire with ground would have white for nuetral, black for hot, red for the other hot, as well as the bare or green ground wire.

Kinda confusing, when they don't count a wire that you see there, isn't it? :)

The nuetral, or white, wire is not used on a true 220v deal - you only need the 2 hots - red & black wires plus the always needed green or bare ground wire.

Some 220v devices end up using 110v plus one of the hot wires for controls such as a timer, light bulb, etc. A clothes drier or electric stove come to mind - they need all 4 wires to make everything work right - but your compressor does not have anything like that, so no need for the white nuetral wire.

The white wire can be used if you properly marke both ends with a red dye or red tape to let others know what you did - turned it into a current-carrying hot wire.

Hope this simple dirt farmer can explain it a bit without confusing..... Just do what Charles said, & it should work for you.

--->Paul

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Charles (in GA)

11-11-2005 17:27:41




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Robert (AL), 11-11-2005 17:02:55  
Don't know how your house is hooked up, but the compressor does not need the netural. Fold it back and dead end it at the compressor end. All the compressor needs and can accomodate are the two hots, and the green ground (earth).

If you are seeing 120v at the compressor, you have the netural and one of the hots crossed.

Charles



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Robert (AL)

11-11-2005 17:47:27




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Charles (in GA), 11-11-2005 17:27:41  
Charles,

On the male plug,(to generator)I have three wires, white, black, and green. I have the white connected to the silver(neutral)Lug. The green to ground, and the black to hot. Should I move the white wire to the other hot Lug and leave the neutral empty?

Just to be clear, on the on-off switch(at compressor)remove the white wire and dead-in it.



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Charles (in GA)

11-11-2005 18:42:58




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Robert (AL), 11-11-2005 17:47:27  
Sounds like the wire you are using for the extension cable is 2 wire with a ground (i figured you were using 3 wire with ground in my previous post). If this is so (two w/grd), take a marker and make both ends of the white wire RED, and hook the black and red to the two hots, the green ground to the ground and forget the neutral (silver lug) ever existed. On the compressor end I assume you are using a handy box and a receptacle with three prongs, that fits the compressor plug. Same here, red and black to the two flat pins, and the green one to the round ground. You don't have a place for a netural and don't need it.

Charles

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old

11-11-2005 18:07:11




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to Robert (AL), 11-11-2005 17:47:27  
Lets see if I can sort of explain 220. On 220 you have 2 hot leads and one ground. On each of those hot leads theres 110 so with one hot lead and ground you have 110. With 2 hot leads you have 220 or the 110 added to each other. The neutral is a safty sort of thing so that its a little less easy to get shocked. So you need to hook your white to one hot and your black to another hot and your ground to ground and then you have 220.

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504

11-11-2005 20:45:32




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 Re: Extension Cord from Generator to Air Compresso in reply to old, 11-11-2005 18:07:11  
Robert, Everybody is right, but just in case you are doing what I did once when I was a lot younger and a little dumber. check the v between the flat lugs, should be 220v,between a flat lug and round(or D)lug 120v



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