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Binder-Man

11-11-2005 15:41:45




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I want to buy and install an outside wood fired boiler to heat my house and shop with. Any suggestions on brands,reliability, best types of lines to use under ground, ease of installation. Thank you for your time and help on this, I live in northwest ILLinois,if this would help in deciding size of stove needed, My shop is metal building 32x36 10 foot cieling,all insulated and dry walled, our house is about 1200sq. feet, I would like to heat both - does this sound reasonable? Thanks again!!!!

Binder-Man

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Can't even use my name

11-13-2005 18:33:13




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Binder-Man, 11-11-2005 15:41:45  
We have a Heatmor at the farm and neighbor has a Woodmaster. At the farm we heat a poorly insulated old two story farm house and the 20x40 milking parlor where the doors are opened alot, so that is about 3000 sq/ft. We have absolutely no gas on the farm and when the temps are around 30 it gets filled once a day. When it gets to just above 0 it gets filled once in the morning, a few pieces at noon, and filled at night. It uses a bit more wood than the add-on unit we had in the house but then again you are heating the parlor too. Neighbor likes the Woodmaster but likes the Heatmor better due to the way you remove the ashes. I would suggest the Heatmor, I am just about done with my house and am putting one in real soon, getting cold here.

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Stan in Oly, WA

11-13-2005 11:31:04




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Binder-Man, 11-11-2005 15:41:45  
One idea that runs through most of these responses is that a person's free time is worth zero. Usually it has to be valued at about that to make any labor intensive alternative to conventional heating cost effective.

If the time you cut, haul, stack, and burn the firewood is time that you would be watching TV, then putting a low value on it might seem reasonable, but it's not that simple.

The cost of the gas or diesel it takes to cut and/or haul firewood is an obvious expense that has to be added to the wood heating bill (or subtracted from the savings, if you want to look at it that way) but the wear on the equipment is a real, but harder to measure, cost, too.

There's one cost that almost never gets taken into account, and in some ways it's the most important one: the cost to your body. When it comes to doing physical work, your body is a piece of machinery that wears out a little (or a lot) faster than it can repair itself. If you are physically inactive most of the workday, then the activity required to get the wood and fire a boiler might be good for you---extend you life, even. But many, if not most of us who participate in this forum already do hard physical work, and then do more of it in our free time.

I'll bet I'm not the only one here who has to use painkillers to get to sleep after a hard day (only aspirin or ibuprofen so far, though I've got prescriptions for the industrial duty stuff,) but can't stand the idea of having to work behind a desk.

If you wear out your parts, you can't just wish yourself better, or keep working by sheer will power. If you think the rising cost of oil/natural gas/propane/electricity is scary try pricing the cost of a hip replacement without medical insurance. You might not end up thinking that your labor intensive alternative to adjust-the-thermostat/write-the-check heating was such a good idea if you end up crippled at 65 and you've still got 15 years of things to do that you promised the wife you'd get around to later.

Stan

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Gus

11-13-2005 06:00:43




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Binder-Man, 11-11-2005 15:41:45  
I am on my third year with the mid-size 200 Heatmor. I heat a 2000 ft. house and 2000 ft. shop with 12 ft. ceiling. Shop is very well insulated, house is old, but insulated fairly well. It works well. I would check out the supplier from referals from his customers. Service is everything for parts, help, etc. I installed mine myself except for the in-house plumbing and have about $7000.00 total in it. You should like to cut wood because they use a lot of it. No more splitting for me. I cut dead wood or cure it a year. Do the research before you buy. Gus

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MPND

11-12-2005 16:23:10




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Binder-Man, 11-11-2005 15:41:45  
Ive been looking around for one of these things too but what i want is one that i can burn straw bales in. Found a good website for the wood burners but no straw. :(



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Farmall Teen

11-12-2005 16:03:23




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Binder-Man, 11-11-2005 15:41:45  
My uncle bought one and he loves it. He says that the only cost he has is for the gas on the chainsaw and the electric that runs the pumps.



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NC Wayne

11-11-2005 21:27:06




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Binder-Man, 11-11-2005 15:41:45  
Got a customer that has had a Taylor brand unit for about 4 years or so, and he loves it. He's heating a pretty fair size house and putting heating coils in the floor of a huge shop. He has a ready supply of good wood from trees taken down at his quarry, but liie one of the other posts said he also has no problem burning any "trach" wood when he needs to.



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Hal/WA

11-11-2005 21:16:30




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Binder-Man, 11-11-2005 15:41:45  
It is a very reasonable idea....but will require a bunch of wood each year and attention at least once a day. A friend of mine has heated his large house and large shop with an outside boiler for at least 10 years. He knows a guy who has a tree removal service who gives him a lot of wood. My friend has 3 trailers that he takes to the tree service job sites and the tree service fills the trailers with the tree trunks. He burns at least 10 cords a year, but has probably 100 cords in his wood storage building and a bunch stored and drying outside.

My friend says he has very little out-of-pocket costs to heat his place, but he spends at least an hour a day during heating season filling the firebox and tinkering with the system. He also spends quite a bit of time stacking wood. He seldom splits anything--only what he can't handle easily.

I don't remember what brand of boiler he has, but it has worked very well for him. He has said he would do it again.

With the raises in prices of fuel oil and natural gas, I would expect that wood will also go up in price if you have to buy it. Good luck!

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Redd

11-11-2005 18:17:41




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Binder-Man, 11-11-2005 15:41:45  
While I do not own one nor am I an authority, I can only tell you what my brother inlawhas. It's an Aquatherm. He says its the only one with a sealed system that uses fluid like antifreeze. He heats an unattached two car shop and house abou 2,400 sq ft. It was one of the more expensive units but seems to work okay. Although he just got a new unit free due to a crack at about four years old. If you can fit it in it will burn it. He uses a lot of "junk" wood found laying in the woods.

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JMS/MN

11-12-2005 19:43:28




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 Re: Outside wood fired boiler's in reply to Redd, 11-11-2005 18:17:41  
I've had an Aquatherm (factory is 30 miles from me) since the late 80s, but it is not the only stove like it. There are a number of similar manufacturer's in MN. I run a 30% antifreeze mix, as opposed to a 50% mix in vehicles and tractors. Old AF from trucking companies, contractors, car dealers, etc. works fine and is usually free for the hauling. Big advantage is the stove takes bigger chunks of wood, (door is about 15x20+), no splitting, mid-size stove takes 44 inch long wood, green or dried.

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