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Stan in Oly, WA

10-30-2005 16:39:20




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I had a chance this past summer to help myself to a lot of stick welding electrodes which were being discarded. I took as much as I could, more than I'll use in a lifetime, but had to draw the line at what I couldn't reasonably foresee ever using. It pained me to see dozens of sealed metal 50# cans of 3/16 & 1/4 7018, 8018, 9018, and 11018 headed for some landfill.

In trying to imagine who might have had a use for all that rod, it occurred to me that maybe it really was obsolete. Who would have a use for 1/4" rod on a regular basis and not own a good wire feed setup which would lay down more metal faster? Does anyone know whether there's still a niche for stick welding with 1/4" and larger electrodes?

Stan

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Fred OH

11-02-2005 06:42:46




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 Re: big arc welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-30-2005 16:39:20  
1/4" rod is good for welding large I beams together and usually no shop is large enough to do it, so, you do it outside in the grass....and you can run the larger electrodes on AC. One caution though...you better have a good pair of dry gloves on and a rubber mat to stand on cause without them when you change rods...it will light up your life. Fred OH



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Joe Evans

10-31-2005 21:23:19




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 Re: big arc welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-30-2005 16:39:20  
1/4" E7018. Ah yes...I harken back to the '70s when the company I worked for did a number of cement kiln rebuilds for Columbia Cement. We joined the kiln sections with that big rod. The sections (I think) were 2" thick and something like 15' diameter. We put two Lincoln SAE 400s on the "fry" setting and had at it.

We really didn't know what MIG was at the time. Would've been much more productive as would a sub-arc set up.

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T_Bone

10-31-2005 13:27:48




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 Re: big arc welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-30-2005 16:39:20  
Hi Stan,

What a good find for your shop!

As the other guys pointed out, heavy equipment and structual steel or just about any heavy welding requirement where lugging around a 100# of Mig feeder would be difficult to use.

I've only used 1/4" a couple times in my life but my work was always thin gauge by trade and what little heavy stuff I welded, using 1/8" or 5/32" didn't waste that much time.

For other than flat welding, the larger diameter electordes are a bear to control on most joint types. Like anything, it takes alot of practice to use the larger equipment.

When I worked at Coors, one of the tank depts set up a automatic 1/4" 7024 stick machine for welding 3/4" flat plate joints. They used a bugo machine, a motor driven track unit, that was mostly used with a cutting torch. The set up time was much less using stick than it was using Mig for this type of joint. This guy could really make this auto stick system run fast.

T_Bone

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buickanddeere

10-31-2005 09:36:56




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 Re: big arc welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-30-2005 16:39:20  
I was just trying out my Redi-Weld/ Hobard machine. AC, DC, high freq, and gas solenoids & bottle rack for tig/mig. She goes to 350A DC and 475A on AC. Suprised myself with some plain boring 6013s on a couple of minor jobs how nice they worked and how the weld looked. One of these days I'll try the 7018's and some 1/4" number??? that I bought surplus 15 years ago.



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Dr.EVIL

10-31-2005 08:23:25




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 Re: big arc welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-30-2005 16:39:20  
Steel foundry I used to work for used LOTS of 1/4" 11018. They kept some 3/16" around but seldom used it.



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thejdman01

10-31-2005 04:13:47




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 Re: big arc welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-30-2005 16:39:20  
just as nc wayne says heavy equipment, decent size loaders, excavators, pans, where its windy as heck and the machine is from the 60's and rusted etc. the only thing i ever had on my service truck is a stick welder for that matter. yeah i had a generator could bring along a wire feed but????? ???/ honestly it took me a LONG time to get convinced to even try a wire feed f inally did. they are ok but i get along just fine with a stick welder. old guy stuck in his ways

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NC Wayne

10-30-2005 19:20:24




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 Re: big arc welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-30-2005 16:39:20  
True you can lay down alot of weld with a MIG machine but you can also lay alot down with a 1/4" rod also. The larger rods are really usefull for plating/repairing buckets, bladers, etc on heavy equipment. Imagine taking a piece of 1" plate and welding it on the front of a dozer blade with a 1/8" rod, you'd be there forever before you got enough weld on it to keep it on in use. Better yet repair a broken frame or something like that that's several inches thick, again doing it with a small rod would take forever. True you can lay down alot of weld with a MIG but there are times when a big stick just can't be beat. As for any secrets for using them, the main thing is make sure your machine has enough amps will handle them, then wear nice thick gloves because the larger rods wil throw out alot of heat, and keep a bucket of water handy to toss the stinger in and cool it down when it gets too hot to hold. Have fun with all those big devils, I burn then when I've got to, but better you than me....

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Coloken

10-30-2005 16:52:44




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 Re: big arc welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-30-2005 16:39:20  
Save it. You might want to build a battleship some day, or a tank. Better yet, sell it on E-bay, they will buy any thing.



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