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Question for the welders out there

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old

10-28-2005 12:21:43




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Can you use 7014 rod with a DC welder. I know I should use 7018 with it but I'm running low on it and pay day isn't till the 2nd wednesday in Nov. I'm working on another of my $100 buildings and would like to get the roof on before my pay day. I'm a welder my self but have never tried 7014 in a DC rig before and figured maybe some one other there had. Thanks




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Fred Martin

10-29-2005 09:02:27




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to old, 10-28-2005 12:21:43  

In my line of thinking...7018 for anything that is cold rolled, forged, low alloyed or cast type steels...the rest can be welded with about anything that leaves the desired characteristics that you"re looking for. With the exception of maleable iron...it"s really cast iron that has been put in a heat treat oven for about a week at temperature and it comes out not as brittle as regular cast iron. Learn to identify it by the thick line around the edges of a break. For galvanized steels you need a deep penetrating rod to burn off the zinc that will make you sick if you inhale it. Of course, theres exceptions to most anything. The hardest thing about welding is to identify correctly the metal content. Everyone that welds should have a good book on metal identification and some known samples of metal to compare with the unidentified metal with a spark test method. That is the simplest way to get close to the identity in most small shops...learning to read the sparks on the grinding wheel and what they mean. I realize that I"m going a little off subject but I felt like hitting the keyboard in hopes of making a novice welder better at it. Fred OH

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dieseldoctor

10-28-2005 22:39:04




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to old, 10-28-2005 12:21:43  
I saw a lot of comments to your question, most of them just personal preference. 7014's are rated for DC welding, but use straight polarity. I personally prefer 7018's. I find that they are easier to weld with (not near as much problems with slag pockets, and much better penetration) My favorite rods are Arc-Tec 223's. They are also a low hydrogen rod, but have an 85,000 psi tensile strenght rating. Good luck
DD

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TomTX

10-28-2005 20:09:26




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to old, 10-28-2005 12:21:43  
Old, go to linconelectric and you will see the specs for the 7014. For all my general welding I use 7014, buy it in the 50 lb box, brand is Unibraze, made in USA. Rated for DC+ DC- AC, all position. I can run better welds with it than 7018 and don't have to worry about storage problems. Try it - you'll like it.
Tom



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old

10-28-2005 20:36:56




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to TomTX, 10-28-2005 20:09:26  
I use 7014 all the time but have never tried it on DC. Believe it or not I'm a retired welder but just haven't ever used 7014 on DC so I figured I'd ask. Shoot I burned 3 or 4 lbs of it in the last 3 days. Since I was made to retire I've gotten slower doing things but I will never stop till I die and then I will come back and haunt my kids if they don't keep my old iron going. LOL



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formerly mike brown

10-28-2005 16:51:31




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to old, 10-28-2005 12:21:43  
I think you can run most any AC rod on DC but most DC rods don't like AC.



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T_Bone

10-28-2005 17:42:45




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to formerly mike brown, 10-28-2005 16:51:31  
Hi Old,

I gotta agree with Mike, as I've never found a rod that won't burn on DC but there pretty picky on AC use.

I've found that just trying different rods on DC you might be supprised of how well they run. 6010 is a DCEP rod but it works very well on galvanize with DCEN. 6011 on DCEN is another good choice that's rated for AC use.

And then there's some brand of electrodes that work well on DC and AC and another brand of the same rod type that won't weld worth a darn on either mode. Horbart electrodes fit this latter catagory well.

T_Bone

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Stan in Oly, WA

10-28-2005 14:34:09




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to old, 10-28-2005 12:21:43  
Hi, old

I run 7014 on DC all the time. Can't really see any difference from AC in the bead it puts down. 7014 is a medium penetration rod, like 7018. It has iron powder in the flux for high deposition, also like 7018. But it's not a low hydrogen rod like 7018 so no special storage is required, but it won't satisfy a welding procedure calling for low hydrogen weldment.

In my experience, 7014 strikes easier than 7018, but it's a little more likely to entrap slag, so it's a tradeoff, like everything else.

All the best, Stan

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old

10-28-2005 16:32:44




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-28-2005 14:34:09  
Sounds like it should work well for me then. I'm building a 16X40 shed for the tractors and machines. I'm useing old mobile home frames for the cross bars and steel tube for the up rights. Cost so far is the gas for the welder and the rod. Other then that every bit of the things has cost me nothing other then the time to build and the time/to hual it in.



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dr.sportster

10-28-2005 12:27:28




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to old, 10-28-2005 12:21:43  
Old,Im a 6010 and a 7018 type of guy but have run some 7014.My book says DC SP/AC.Hope that helps.Cant remember what I used when I ran it but it was a nice rod.



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old

10-28-2005 12:52:30




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to dr.sportster, 10-28-2005 12:27:28  
I've never tried the 6010 guess I prefer the higher strenth rod, LOL 7018s ok but at times it can be a pain to start an arc with. Thats why I asked about the 7014 figured if it would work I might not be up in a loader bucket as long, which I hate to do but when your lifting a 20 foot I beam you need to use the laoder. Thanks I guess I'll give it a try the least it can do is not work LOL



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T_Bone

10-28-2005 18:07:43




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to old, 10-28-2005 12:52:30  
Hi Old,

6010 works really well for a root pass weld as it has very little slag and a very smooth arc. 7014 has a very dense slag and will trap slag much easier on a open root weld much like 7018 will.

You mention tensile stregth of the 6010 and yes the 70 series is slightly stronger but in 90% of home type welding you would not notice this lack of extra strength. However you would notice how well the 6010 lays in a fast bead and is overall more useful for farm type welding.

Another good use of 6010 is plug welding roof decking. Here you burn thru the deck metal then weld to the joist while back filling to weld the decking.

On the other hand 6010 is used for making certified welds on pipe from the root pass to the cover pass and does it very well and is the rod of choice amoung pipe welders.

T_Bone

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johnlobb

10-28-2005 18:03:18




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 Re: Question for the welders out there in reply to old, 10-28-2005 12:52:30  
I have welded with mostly 6010 and 7018 and some 6011. 6010 I call junkyard rod. It is all position (You can weld overhead or uphill or downhill, etc) It also will burn through rust and the work does not have to be so clean. It produces a lot more smoke and sparks than 7018. 7018 is a stronger rod than 6010. It is also all position and makes a slicker weld than 6010. I am a pipewelder and we use 6010 to put in the root (1st) pass on open butt welding, maybe a second (hot) pass but usually fill the rest of the weld out with 7018. I have welded in nukes and you would not believe the tests you have to pass to be able to do that. Often 6010 is difficult to rid of porosity so its not to hard to end up with a leaky pipeweld using only 6010. Running over 6010 with 7018 kind of blends the metal together better. Good luck! John

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