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pole shed lean to 20 x 80 more questions....

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deanop

10-27-2005 10:23:47




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went to menards an they suggest using double 1 3/4"lvl x 14", to freespan 20' lean to with 6x6 poles 8' on center...While this idea sounds good...it'll run my estimated cost from 600 for rafters to about $2500...i looked at a morton building lean to a friend of mine has and the used 2x12's with no knee bracing...what would seem to be a reasonable lumber thickness and spacing to use for 20x80...If i have to i spose could shrink back to 16x80 or 18x80..i think i need between 20-40 snow load, although, the snow rarely stays on my existing 40x80...advice?????

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DL

10-28-2005 11:28:54




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 Re: pole shed lean to 20 x 80 more questions.... in reply to deanop, 10-27-2005 10:23:47  
Hey Dean,
I once built a family room addition on a house we owned... clear-spanned 22' with 2 x 12's on 16" centers. Worked, but roof seemed a little "springy"... think 1" x 4" strapping set perpendicluar to rafters (on approx 24" centers) on the UNDERSIDE would've solved this problem. House was in UTAH... definite "snow country" HTH

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David - OR

10-27-2005 13:06:00




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 Re: pole shed lean to 20 x 80 more questions.... in reply to deanop, 10-27-2005 10:23:47  
Trying to span 20 feet with rafters on 8 foot spacings is a very hard problem. Go into any big box store and look up. You will see the size of the beams they use for such a situation.

A typical assumption for your area might be snow load of 30 lbs per square foot, with a dead load of 10 lbs per square foot. This makes 40 lbs per square foot. Figure 8 feet of supported roof per foot of beam and we get 320 lbs per foot.

By my calculations, 2x1.75x14 LVL is only slightly overkill for this loading. Fb comes out at 1800 PSI. A ordinary sawn lumper 2x12 is hopeless -- peak bending stress exceeds 6000 PSI. I get a free span of only about 10 feet possible with a 2x12 on 8 foot spacings.

You might be able to cheat on the snow load, but you shouldn't design any building roof to less than 25 lbs live plus 5 lbs dead loading, and that isn't much less than the 40 psf Menard's probably was working with.

I suspect something like a set of purpose-built half scissors trusses might be more economical than the LVLs.

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deanop

10-27-2005 13:35:24




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 Re: pole shed lean to 20 x 80 more questions.... in reply to David - OR, 10-27-2005 13:06:00  
Thank you for your informative description...you obviously know much about the engineering priciples. I follow what your talkin about with the 320 ft lbs....but you lost me how to calculate the psi...why is the 1800/6000 psi important or what is a threshold or breaking? i'm still confused then as to how morten's built this lean to with 2x12 with 8' free space (in some cases 16' with header)...that building is at least 20 or so years old, and looks plenty strong...

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old

10-27-2005 18:04:22




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 Re: pole shed lean to 20 x 80 more questions.... in reply to deanop, 10-27-2005 13:35:24  
Just a little note, a lot depends on the wood you use as far as how wide you can space them out at. I'm building a 16X40 right now useing steel beams with 2X6 roof trusses but I'm also putting them on 24inch centers. My area doesn't get all that much snow but I perfer to build it over kill then to build it under kill. I have an older building that has 2X12s for trusses and they are spaced on 4 foot centers and would not go any wider. Just my 0.02 worth. By the way when done with my new building I will have less then $200 in it.

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deanop

10-28-2005 07:02:45




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 Re: pole shed lean to 20 x 80 more questions.... in reply to old, 10-27-2005 18:04:22  
that seems more reasonable....



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