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Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup

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Big Swede

10-25-2005 21:30:46




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Has anyone ever put 3/4 ton leaf springs on a 1/2 ton Dodge pickup. I think I have a bad leaf spring already and am considering replacing the springs with heavier ones from a 3/4 ton truck. The truck does not sit level and when loaded, it leans to the left side even though it is loaded evenly. I don't use it lots for pulling but I do use it to haul seed, feed, water, and fertilizer pretty often. If I would do this, would the springs bolt right in or would I have to drill new holes in the frame? Since I am in college a different pickup is out of the question. Can I put the new springs in and not hurt anything? I will load it to about 1500 to 2,000 pounds. Please give me advice on this subject and thank you for any repiles.

Big Swede

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Kevin2

10-28-2005 11:47:09




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Big Swede, 10-25-2005 21:30:46  
I switched the leaf springs on my '79 maxivan with some from a '83 maxivan. They were both 3/4 ton trucks, but I found out that Dodge used springs that were 1500 lb. "short ton" and 1880 lb. "long ton" ratings. They bolted right in and made a huge difference. Ride quality was better as the swaying went away and I often hauled 2000+ in that truck.
On another note, a friend had two leafs added to his company Dodge van, they hated "saggy" trucks, so it became a 3/4 ton from half.

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jeffcat

10-27-2005 20:14:07




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Big Swede, 10-25-2005 21:30:46  
I would agree with the replys you got on camper and floating springs. You don't want to make heavy springs cause that messes with hight and alignment. True helpers only start to work as your truck gets really low with weight on it. My dad's 1941 Chevy has a set up for a plummers truck.Done in 1948 and had a tiny set of springs that were bolted to the frame. Truck rides just like normal till things compress a little and then the short springs on the frame kick in. Neat set up when you look at it. Works very nicely.
Look under an ASTRO van if you want a real laugh. They have the same setup as a Corvet. Plastic springs--and they realy work well! Had three work astros and the only thing that blew up was the head gasket in one of the six piston engines. When it blew I was putting down a fog screen like a WW II distroyer! Pull over and refill the radiator. Next put the cap back on but do not lock it down. With no pressure in the cooling system it slows the leak way down and you can get home.
Jeffcat

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Sandknob

10-27-2005 14:47:38




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Big Swede, 10-25-2005 21:30:46  
You did not mention what year your truck was, but I have a good set of 1999 Dodge Ram 1500 rear springs for sale off of a truck that had a cab fire, also have a good 9 1/4 rear axle. Let me know if you need the springs. I am in Central Illinois (Near Charleston).



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wdtom

10-26-2005 17:25:14




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Big Swede, 10-25-2005 21:30:46  
I can tell you what has worked for me for some time now. I had a 71, and now am using an 86. This is what I did to both of them. First, add to the main spring. One short under the shortest stock leaf and one long between the main leaf and the second one. This one should end half way between the ends of the second and ends of the main leaf, this is where a lot of sag comes from. This will give you about heavy half ton springs or maybe 3/4 ton. To make it better get a stack of shorter leafs and make real helper springs. Look at a big truck. You will need longer U bolts to do this. Stack the helper spring on top of the main spring with a 2 1/2" by about 6" steel spacer to seperate the two different springs. With the helper springs in place you can now bolt stops to the frame of the truck to contact them when you want them to come into play. To stop anoying noise you will need some sort of rubber somewhere. What I did was to weld about 5" of 1 1/2" pipe to 1/4" steel plates, plates bolted to frame. To the pipe I bolted pieces of rubber tire sidewall. One 1/4" 20 bolt front and back hold the rubber to the pipe. Have used this system for years and the truck doesn't ride too hard empty, and as soon as it hits the helpers sag stops. You only need about 2 or 3 leafs in the helper, as they are short, they are stiffer than the main spring. Don't go overly heavy on the main spring as the truck will ride hard empyt. You see a lot of factory trucks this way, a big pile of steel in the main spring, and one or two in the helper, should be the opposite, so the truck will ride ok empty , helper comes in when you load. I don't carry much over 1500 to 2000 lbs. but this will do the trick for this, and if you look at the axle capacity and tire capacity you probably haven't exceeded it. I figure there isn't much over 1500 lbs on the axle of an empty 1/2 ton, so adding a ton only brings you to 3500#, and most axles are rated at more than that I think.

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IA Roy

10-26-2005 10:12:24




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Big Swede, 10-25-2005 21:30:46  
My son had a 1977 K10 chevy with 3/4 ton springs on the rear. On rough roads it would give you whiplash. The front would absorb the bump and the rear would catapult you forward!



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Roger in Iowa

10-26-2005 09:21:06




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Big Swede, 10-25-2005 21:30:46  
You did not say what year your Dodge was.

My '86 also leaned left, unloaded. The dealer had a kit to install a spacer under the left front spring, on top of the axle. Straightened it right up. About 3/4" thick.

This was for a 1/2 ton, 4 X 4, shortbed.

Roger



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jfp

10-26-2005 05:12:57




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Big Swede, 10-25-2005 21:30:46  
Get the camper springs for your truck or add overloads, mount right on top of the existing springs. The overloads won't change the ride quality as they don't engage unless loaded.



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MarkB_MI

10-26-2005 03:27:53




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Big Swede, 10-25-2005 21:30:46  
There are companies that will build you up springs any way you want. Since you need new springs anyway, that's where I would go; check your yellow pages for "truck springs".

Adding heavier springs will not turn your half-ton pickup into a 3/4 ton. The 1/2 ton rear end has a semi-floating axle (meaning the axle supports the weight of the vehicle), while a 3/4 ton has a full-floating axle (two timken bearings versus a single roller bearing). Equally important, the brakes on a 3/4 ton are a lot bigger. You can get away with occaisionally overloading a 1/2 ton, just don't make a habit of it.

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Ray

10-26-2005 19:25:26




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to MarkB_MI, 10-26-2005 03:27:53  
You can buy heavier springs from Dodge that will
fit right in,i bought some with a couple extra
leafs for my 3500 dodge a few years ago.I"ve since bought a duramax with the same load capacity, but it doesn"t sag with the same load.



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Oliver Power

10-26-2005 05:12:10




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to MarkB_MI, 10-26-2005 03:27:53  
I have had my 1983 dodge pick-up in the spring shop several times. Had springs added in order to carry load. The spring shop told me dodge used poor spring steel. That is why they break. Never had that problem with ford/chevy.



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jfp

10-26-2005 05:17:52




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Oliver Power, 10-26-2005 05:12:10  
You never would have trouble with Ford springs, that's where Ford really comes out and shines.



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Dr.EVIL

10-26-2005 07:49:26




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to jfp, 10-26-2005 05:17:52  
I broke two of the four leaves in the left rear spring on an '87 F-150 4X4. Truck had never been loaded much let alone over-loaded.



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Dave JWI

10-26-2005 07:48:07




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to jfp, 10-26-2005 05:17:52  
I put 3/4 ton leaves on an '85 Dodge 1/2 ton once. They will bolt right in. Does seem to mess up your front wheel alignment a bit as the back of the truck sat a bit higher(1 or 2 inches). I wasn't looking to make a 3/4 ton out of it, just wanted a little less squat under load. As for the axles, 1/2 tons generally use a nonfloating axle, 3/4 tons generally use a DANA 60 variant which is semi-floating, and 1 tons generally use full-floating axles. As for Ford, the general consensus between my friends and I is that most Fords from about the mid '80's up are undersprung. I've got an '84 Ford in my shop right now that has two broken leaves on one side and one on the other and I've hardly used it yet.

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Mike M

10-26-2005 07:02:31




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to jfp, 10-26-2005 05:17:52  
Nobody makes their own springs,axles etc. I bet they all come from the same place.



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jfp

10-26-2005 10:12:47




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 Re: Leaf Spring Switch for Dodge Pickup in reply to Mike M, 10-26-2005 07:02:31  
I bet you are right. Ford and Dodge have alot of the same parts and have since the begining of the Dodge brothers as they started out making parts for Ford. But I've never had a Ford or a Dodge spring break under normal usage. I got a 1 ton Ford and I know I've been overloaded a few times with no problems.



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