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MIG WELDER QUESTIONS ---

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Don L C

10-25-2005 17:18:19




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Need some advice from you welders----I have over the years bought welding equipment for my hobby shop----

I am building a three wheel trike with v8 engine with auto.tranny....the body will require me to hand build parts of the body with 16 ga. sheet metal....interior panels will be 1/8 -- 1/4" aluminum.....

welders I have:
#1 Acet./Oxy. small, with lg. tanks.

#2 Acet./ Oxy.large, with lg. tanks.

#3 Lincon - 225 AC stick.

#4 Miller - 250 Mig.

I woulden'tneed a Tig muct but This caught my eye--- Harbor Freight Tig #91811.
220 volt 130 TIG / 90 ARC...18 amps.singlephase,DC output amperage: 130 TIG 90 ARC...electrodes: 1/8" tungsten.....Rated duty cycle:35% @ 130 amps....Shows a gas hose but does not talk about it....what gas would that be? How large a bottle...what would a bottle its self cost me?...How much to fill it?

What do you think? thanks Don S. W. OHIO

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T_Bone

10-27-2005 10:39:27




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 Re: MIG WELDER QUESTIONS --- in reply to Don L C, 10-25-2005 17:18:19  
Hi Don,

#91811 appears to be a invertor DC machine with supposedly 130a Tig. I'll call BS on that spec with only 90a stick available. This is nothing more than a scratch start DCEN process machine for Tig. You can use scratch start Tig on any DC or DC/AC machine.

Your also getting into the wet Tig tourch area as dry Tig at 130a is about maximum for the torch and the torch will be hot at that many amps. 1/8"AL will need about 130a and 1/4"AL will need 180a Tig on a multi-pass weldment.

Since you already have the Miller 250, I would tend to buy the spool gun and go that route for heavy AL welding. For the thinner metals I would consider gas welding with Oxy/Acet.

Can't beat 100%AR for a 1cyl all around cover gas. I bought a 220cft cyl of AR for $68 last summer, no discounts. Seams like cyl excange is popular is most areas.

I written a couple articles on using scratch start Tig and welding Alumimum that can be located in the archives on this forum. If you can't find them let me know and I'll hunt them down.

T_Bone

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CBBC

10-25-2005 20:56:07




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 Re: MIG WELDER QUESTIONS --- in reply to Don L C, 10-25-2005 17:18:19  
It sounds like some of the goofy things I build for our cranberry farm.

Anyway, Weldmaster and Rod are right. Millermatic 250 with hand spool gun works well. Keep it clean, weld out of the wind, point the gun in the direction of travel.

A friend of mine runs big spools of Al wire, but it is on a dedicated machine with a special set up- not worth it if you don't weld Al all the time.

The spool gun is a bit awkward in tight spaces, just take you time and plan your welds.

Then again, the little tig might be worth having anyway, even if not for this project.

Just my $.02, not a pro welder, Grant

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Rod (NH)

10-25-2005 17:55:44




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 Re: MIG WELDER QUESTIONS --- in reply to Don L C, 10-25-2005 17:18:19  
Hi Don,

I think it could be OK for the sheet steel. There is no indication that it has an AC capability. AC is needed for TIG welding aluminum so if it doesn't have that capability, you'll be limited in that respect. In addition, 130 amp TIG is too little for 1/4" aluminum and marginal for 1/8" aluminum. You'd want pure argon for the shielding gas for TIG of both aluminum and steel. Argon is not cheap but I don't have a current cost.

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Masterwelder

10-25-2005 18:35:18




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 Re: MIG WELDER QUESTIONS --- in reply to Rod (NH), 10-25-2005 17:55:44  
Rod is right on about the tig. If I were you I would add a spool gun to your Millermatic 250. Most of the newer ones come "plug and play" so adding the gun is no problem. You will still need pure argon as a shielding gas (about $60.00 for a 300 cu/ft bottle) but mig welding aluminum is much easier than tig welding, especially for someone who is not to familiar with tig welding. Whatever you do don't try feed the soft aluminum wire through the 10'+ gun on the Millermatic, it will be nothing but trouble. Just remember as with any welding process, the cleaner the better, especially aluminum. Also try to fabricate so the fittup is as tight as possible. With the proper setup, welding 1/8'" and 1/4" aluminum with a spool gun attached to your 250 should be no problem, we do it here day in and day out.

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Don L C

10-25-2005 17:24:37




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 Re: MIG WELDER QUESTIONS --- in reply to Don L C, 10-25-2005 17:18:19  
Forgot to list the price ---300 on sale for $200



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Wayne H

10-26-2005 16:57:56




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 Re: MIG WELDER QUESTIONS --- in reply to Don L C, 10-25-2005 17:24:37  
harbor freight??? Do you need it to work for more than a day or two... Plus, to do aluminum you will need a real spool gun, not sure if they have one for that?

Wayne



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peter Bucci

01-10-2006 17:20:15




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 Re: MIG WELDER QUESTIONS --- in reply to Wayne H, 10-26-2005 16:57:56  
I use my friends Marquette M16/135 welder, model 12184. Do you still sell this model, if so what is the pricw with a gas tank and cart?



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