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Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps

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diggerdave

10-21-2005 13:29:59




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Hi all- I have a chevy straight 6 banger out of an old pickup im restoring. Now that the colder weather is setting I still have work to do on it and I cant paint it out in the garage as I normally would do. Got me to thinking what are the chances I could get it down the basement stairs (not thru the house....I like life too much thankyou..) on some sort of dolly I could rig? Has anyone sent anything heavy an bulkly like that down there (other than freezers etc on a hand truck). The entrance to the basment is in my garage. No "structural" beams above it so to speak so I think some sort of dolly attached to a racheting chain fall hooked to the skidloader might do. On second thought maybe ill wait til spring...thanks dave

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Fred Martin

10-25-2005 07:58:59




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
I compared the old chevy six with a chevy v8 once and if I recall correctly the six was six hundred and some pounds and the v8 was like 485.
I had an old take out six sitting outside the shop and a fellow that keeps the town cleaned up of scrap metal stopped in and asked me what I was gonna do with the engine.....I told him that as soon as I got through with a finish cut on the lathe I would take the forklift and load it for him. About ten minutes later I went outside and his 56 chevy (car)was sitting way down in the back.....he had bear hugged it and put it in the boot by himself.Wow! Nearest thing to a horse that I ever seen. So, be careful if you"re gonna take one of these monsters down the stairs....that"s a lot of weight to get away from you. Fred OH

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dr.sportster

10-22-2005 18:05:33




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
I was gonna shut up for once but here goes.Cant you take off the heads ,degrease, bring downstairs.Will you send at least the boring part of the block to a machine shop which would then be degreased and ready to assemble?Or are you saying just to paint the motor?This just sounds like alot of work for engine paint.Im not sure why it has to be painted down stairs is all.Sorry not helpful.



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T_Bone

10-22-2005 09:32:37




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Hi Dave,

I gots to agree with these guys. Don't drag it into the basement. Just too many things can go wrong with the off gas of solvents. I would hate to see someone not wake up in the morning.

I'd throw up a small temporary wall in the garage and heat that small room.

T_Bone



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Flurette Farm

10-22-2005 08:10:00




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
I'd do it in the kitchen. If your family can live with it being done in the basement I don't think they'll mind the kitchen. Good luck...



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Vern-MI

10-22-2005 07:17:25




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
I carried a Ford 144 CID six cylinder down into my basement when I was 40 years younger. I first removed the head, flywheel, manifold, and oil pan. It was all I could handle and it was leaking oil on the stairs as I went down them. Thank goodness there was a aluminum leading edge grip on the stair. It went back up with the help of a friend. I wouldn't recommend doing it because as previously stated any solvents are a real pain and also dangerous. I did it because the temperature outside was in the single digits at the time.

The best one was when I lived in an apartment and used the elevator to move my motorcycle up to the sixth floor to work on it in my apartment. I did it late at night so there wouldn't be any observers however a young lady was attempting to get on at the third floor when I was going up. Wow was she surprised! Hee, hee, hee.

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fixerupper

10-21-2005 21:01:35




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
If the bell housing and flywheel are off, it shouldn't be that heavy, just awkward and it should go right down on a couple of planks. Like some of the other posts have said, the fumes might be dangerous in the basement and the smell will permeate the house. This morning I had a small diesel fuel mishap with my coat and jeans involving maybe a half a cup of fuel at the most, and when I threw them in the washer the smell went all through the house. No, the wife is not happy! Jim

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Leland

10-21-2005 19:35:40




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
The idea of a 8x8 little shack out of 2x4s would be the easiest and safest idea and it would be easy to heat .



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Mike M

10-21-2005 18:23:22




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
I think I would try to warm it up and then spray it where it is. I did some tractor parts that way once and they turned out great ! I could really dump the paint on too,no runs it freeze dried. LOL



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Stan in Oly, WA

10-21-2005 17:52:32




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Hi Dave,

Most of the suggestions you've gotten involve some carpentry so why not just build an 8X8X8 frame in your garage and cover it with 6 mil plastic? If you throw some drop cloths or old sheets or blankets over the top and as much of the side as you can, it will stay warm enough for painting with little heat input.

Of course the cold weather here is not too cold so my experience may not apply.

All the best, Stan

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Coldiron

10-21-2005 16:15:09




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Dave, I put a 600 lb safe down my basement outside steps. First I took some 4x4`s and laid them over the steps then three 2x6`s and nailed them down to the 4x4`s. I hooked a chain and cable to the safe and used my front loader on the 8N to raise it, then lowered it down the ramp. did it all by myself while the wife was out of town. Just need to make sure that you have a long enough reach on the way down or your gonna pull it back up to readjust it like I did. LOL

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BobOHIO

10-21-2005 16:14:35




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Dave- I wouldn't use cleaners or paint in my basement with the furnace running. The fumes could cause an explosion or fire. Or at the very least stink up the house bad.



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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

10-21-2005 21:29:56




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to BobOHIO, 10-21-2005 16:14:35  
and don't forget the pilot lites



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Pete in Cal

10-21-2005 15:53:31




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Its one thing to get it down the stairs. Figure out now how you will get it back upstairs.



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ebbsspeed

10-21-2005 15:19:08




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Skid it down on a couple of planks or piece of plywood with a couple of buddys. First make darn sure your steps will handle the weight of an engine plus a person or two. The planks/plywood will help spread the weight out, but you're still putting a lot of weight on 'em. I've carried a few engines up/down stairs before, but the stairs were concrete going into the basement from outside, so no worries.

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Eric Rylander

10-21-2005 15:51:27




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to ebbsspeed, 10-21-2005 15:19:08  
I do this stuff all the time in my work. We work on marine diesel engines that are mostly in pleasure boats- unlike a tug boat with places to sling a chain on or a big hatch (or just torching out a hole to weld it shut later) we have to make do without tearing stuff up. Had to take a 3208 Cat down to the block with not oilpan or bell housing, remove a window and have a fork lift come in to pluck it out, had to chain it tight to the forks, less than an inch to spare.

Your job is easy, if you have the skidloader, use it to hook a chain fall to and make a ramp of plywood over the stairs, slide it right down there. If you have a beam down there to hook to you can pull it to where you need it- I have an old skateboard in my garage that works great for moving stuff like engine blocks or trannys.

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RB/CT

10-21-2005 14:50:57




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Carried a Dodge V-8 down the cellar stairs with my brother. The heads were off. As said, remove the head and anything else you can, and with help, carry it down. The more contraptions you use, the more chance for an accident, or slippage. Worked for two large moving companies, never moved anything with a hand truck, always by hand, even refrigerators, with a nylon strap, and washers and dryers too. Too many things get in the way, and could cause an accident, Keep it simple, and quick. good luck.

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Dean K

10-21-2005 14:27:00




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Assuming your steps will handle it I think I would lay planks or 3/4 plywood on the steps so the dolly doesn't bounce down them. Or rig a sled, and manuever it around on short pieces of pipe until you start down. I think too much of my friends to ask them to horse it down there. I'd make sure all your rigging is secure and you're well within the capacity of your come-along. DK



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Ralph, Ohio

10-21-2005 13:57:38




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  

I let something pretty heavy down the basement steps by tying it very well on a refrigerator dolly type hand-truck then hooking it to the winch on the front of an SUV and slowly letting the winch cable out.

However I'd be concerned about the safety and wifely complaint aspects of painting in the house! How about just heating the garage for a couple days using a kerosene heater or something similar? Just be sure it's not on when you are actually spraying the paint or when there is a lot of explosive vapor in the air.

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IA Roy

10-21-2005 13:54:39




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 Re: Getting 6 banger down the cellar steps in reply to diggerdave, 10-21-2005 13:29:59  
Build a rack with decent handles, get 3 big friends and a case of adult beverage and have them help you with it. It shouldn't weigh more than about 400# and if you took the head off first a lot less. Helped to take a motorcycle down some basement steps once and it wasn't bad. I didn't get involved moving it out the next spring. I did get involved moving an upright piano down into a basement once, That is much worse than any automotive engine would be. It came out in pieces several years later with the help of a saw.

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