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Ron in Nebr

10-18-2005 20:32:31




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I'm finishing the interior of a 25x36ft steel garage(a "Cheif" brand building) for shop use.

Will be going all tin on the interior with roll insulation in the walls and blow-in insulation in the ceiling.

Once I get it done I really don't want a spiderweb of electrical conduit running all over the interior, so I plan to do the wiring before I put up the interior tin and have flush-mounted outlets, switches, etc.

A guy who works for us that used to be a professional electritian is gonna do the work and he said it'd be ok to run the insulated cable inside the walls and ceilings as long as it's well supported out of the way of where any screws etc. might hit it.

Will that work or should the wiring still be run in metal conduit? This is in a very rural agricultral area so I'm not worried about any inspectors, codes, etc. but I want it to be safe and functional and trouble-free for the life of the building. Dont want to have to tear the walls down and redo the whole thing two years down the road.

One final thought- will mice chew the insulated cable?

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Kevin Bismark

10-19-2005 18:26:37




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 Re: Shop Wiring in reply to Ron in Nebr, 10-18-2005 20:32:31  
so maybe this guy is not really an electrian, just watched this old house a lot and now we are good to go, I like it piped ont he surface, then I know exactly where it is if I want to add something and I know how many wires are in the pipe without opening anyting up, it's not that hard and it looks nice if it's done good.



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dr.sportster

10-19-2005 17:32:12




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 Re: Shop Wiring in reply to Ron in Nebr, 10-18-2005 20:32:31  
If you use romex you will need a plastic grommet in every hole it passes through.If there is chance of vehicular damage code requires rigid pipe.But like other guys stated mc cable.Now you have a solid insulated grounding conductor.With a roto split tool its faster than romex.There is an easy pull direction and a hard side.On small rolls pull out of the middle of the coil.ON 1000 ft roll it will say reverse wound on a tag this is ready to pul the easier way.Meaning not catching the metal jacket on every hole you pull through.Use a roto splt and you will like the mc cable,and have a good groung at each device.If insurance or future home inspector or whoever looks at your wiring they will like mc cable also.MC good cable lightweight etc.Romex is for tying ladders to a ladder rack bx[mc] is for wiring.Just one of my stupid annoying sayings.AT least your own stuff.Not trying to start anything with residential contractors where you now need all plastic boxes and romex to bid to get the job.Just what you use on your own stuff mc.

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j-tex

10-19-2005 06:29:06




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 Re: Shop Wiring in reply to Ron in Nebr, 10-18-2005 20:32:31  
I have to agree with Richard go with the MC cable I have it in my barn, once its up you should never have to worry about it again. Mice could be a problem with romex.



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Richard H.

10-19-2005 06:04:25




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 Re: Shop Wiring in reply to Ron in Nebr, 10-18-2005 20:32:31  
Ron, ask your guy about MC cable. It is flexible metal with an insulated grd. along with the conductors and legal if done by code. Richard



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Ron in Nebr

10-19-2005 20:26:18




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 Re: Shop Wiring in reply to Richard H., 10-19-2005 06:04:25  
Thanks for all the input everyone! Sounds like the MC would be the way to go. How is it pricewise compared to regular Romex?

I understand the price difference would most likely be worth it as far as quality of the finished job goes.

But the problem is I already have all the Romex here and I'm 6 hours round trip from the store I bought it at. Might be cheaper to just pick up some regular conduit locally and run my Romex in it?

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Richard H.

10-20-2005 07:40:42




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 Re: Shop Wiring in reply to Ron in Nebr, 10-19-2005 20:26:18  
Well in that case Ron and in line with some of Sportster advise, let me tell you about my get-away bldg. It was a drive thru grain storage barn for wheat or beans on one side and silage on the other. The center is 16x32 long,dry walled and insulated, I used metal 4 sq. boxes for switches and recepticals and 1/2 emt stubs to go above my cieling at 9ft. 6" and the rest of it I did use romex. Use only 20 amp recpts., and take some time to make a shop lay out drawing as to where your tools are gonna be AND the current use especially if the tool or whatever is continuus duty. For instance at my benches I used double duplex recpts with two circuits, never know, heat gun, etc? I am an electrician and along with what Dr. said about romex, Anybody can throw in romex but few will take the time to support and install it correctly. Anything down low should be in conduit,if you think it has any chance of getting whacked it probably will. Richard

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ShepFL

10-18-2005 21:44:50




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 Re: Shop Wiring in reply to Ron in Nebr, 10-18-2005 20:32:31  
May want to check with your home owners ins. Mine would not cover the shop unless wiring in conduit since I built the shop. I argued the point of residential home construction and lost; ins. claims the liability there is with builder and sub-contractors.
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old

10-18-2005 20:41:23




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 Re: Shop Wiring in reply to Ron in Nebr, 10-18-2005 20:32:31  
Well I was going to say you would be ok with out the conduit other then for the mice and rats chewing on it but I guess you done figured that it could be a problem. Well yes it can be and will be. In my shop years ago I went to turn on the radio that I had there and it wouldn't come on so I figured blew a fuse, well that was not the problem. I looked at the cord and there it was a big old rat fried but he also got the cord before it fried him.

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