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Insulating a Pole Barn

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Hoosier Dave

10-17-2005 13:17:12




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Wanting to insulate the walls of my typical pole barn. I'd like to finish out with either one of the big three (drywall, plywood, or steel...haven't decided) and want to stud it out so I can hang "stuff" and maybe a few cabinets or shelves, etc.

Can I successfully use fiberglass in the walls without moisture problems? I'm thinking faced 6". What's the thoughts?

I don't have the money in the budget for polyurethane foam (sprayed) and not thrilled with the lower R value of foam board.

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msb

10-18-2005 21:24:39




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
Dave ,you might want to consider the fiberglass blanket insulation that is usually installed in steel frame buildings.It is vinyl clad and can be as wide as your posts,so it doesn't need any support.Just fastened at the top and to the posts.I checked into it several years ago but never could afford the building.(lol)At that time there was a dealer in Shelbyville,In.Any Butler dealer should be able to tell you who handles it.

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Mattlt

10-18-2005 07:20:48




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
I would first install 1.5" styrofoam horizontally between outside purlins. This would allow air flow through the ribs in the tin.

Then frame a vertical 2x2 or 2x4 wall, and insulate this as well. Foam in a 2x2 wall, fiberglass in a 2x4 wall. I don't believe 2" thick fiberglass is available, but I could be wrong. I don't think it would pay to compress a 4" thick piece of fiberglass to 2".

When it comes to the finished wall, I would place a treated 1x6 horizontally (standing on edge) along the floor. This would prevent any water on the floor from wicking up into the wall. Above that, the choice is yours. One thought is to run a 4x8 sheet of plywood horizontally, then another 1x6 board above that that could be used to hang things on (the height could vary) Then, drywall above that.

It all depends on what you're going to be doing. If you're going to be pressure washing equipment, use sheet metal or the white laminate beadboard (expensive). If it's going to get dirty or subject to abuse, drywall is probably not a good choice. The area behind your bench grinder and/or welder should be somewhat fire retardant - drywall behind sheet metal, maybe.

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MarkB_MI

10-18-2005 06:15:02




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
I'm putting faced fiberglass insulation in mine. 23" R-13. I rip 2x4s into 2x2s, then nail the 2x2s vertically across the girts. (No reason you can't nail them horizontally on the girts.) I install the fiberglass between the 2x2s, then cover it with 7/16" OSB.



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Mike M

10-18-2005 05:49:23




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
I just did one last year. Had the local insulating co. put in the insulation. They could do it for about the same price as I could buy it for. They say they do lots of them this way. I had to fasten a row of purlins on the inside 2 feet on center,then they used normal R-19 batts laying them on their side running horz.with the kraft face to the inside stack them up to the ceiling.Put baffles in so the vent ridge can breath and they can blow fiberglass in the ceiling.I lined mine with steel floor to ceiling then caulked it at the floor. I used a treated purlin on the bottom row too.

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Leland

10-17-2005 20:15:37




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
I would just hang plywood or ox board and just blow the walls full this is just as cheap as any other way and you can top it off if and when it settles .



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Ray in mo

10-17-2005 19:02:45




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
my father just added onto his he used a new wrap comes in a roll 4ft by 120 ft reminds me of buble wrap about 1/4 inch thick advertised as an r-7 value and put 1/2 strand board over it primer sealed it and rolled on a couple coats of cheap white paint easy to hang stuff to and cheaper than studding a wall.



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upred

10-17-2005 17:10:57




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
check with your local building supplier, they make fiberglass insulation that is 8 feet wide for pole buildings, run purlins 2 feet apart, add plastic sheeting as a vapor barrier. that way you don't need to build the wall in a wall with studs. Then cover with any of the big three just my thoughts -- rick



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Hobo,NC

10-17-2005 16:45:08




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
when i added on a office to my metal build'n I built the frame outta wood then rapped it with house rap so it would breath used paper faced insulation i think paper to the inside then dry wall. Thats the way I wuz told by a know good builder. On the metal build'n I installed metal liners, I like'em cuzz they are cleanable but a PITA to hang enny thing to. I also have a nutter build'n with OSB fer the liner and iffin I have'ta build a nutter I would go with wood walls and paint'em good the I kin hang junk to'em real fast.

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Joe Skinner

10-17-2005 16:26:26




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
Dave, when i built my shed I used Hemlock board siding so I ran 2x4's on the outside of the poles to space the up and down siding hemlock out a little then between the 6x6 posts i put in 2x4 stud frames with paper faced fiberglass ins. in them. I run the studs left to right with the paper to the outside of the shed ,i also put a poly plastic sheet on the outside of the paper to keep the fiberglass from the weather getting through the board siding. and then used plywood sheets inside the shed covering posts and all so there was open seams for air to get through the stud panels fit pertty tight in between the post also. I know you may not use wood siding like i did thats is way i used the plastic because i wanted the air to come all around the siding to keep it dry and away from the insulation also.

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Gus

10-17-2005 15:16:50




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
!0 years ago my pole barn burned completely. It had steel outside and stud walls in between the posts with batt insulation and drywall. It was always drafty. The batts were 6 inch so there was an air space between them and steel. Had batt insulation in the ceiling also. When I re-built, I ran 2x"s across the posts inside with a vetical stiffener centered between the posts. Drywall walls, steel ceiling and steel on the outside again. Had the walls blown full with cellulose and 14 inches in the ceiling. No drafts now. Can almost heat it with a candle. Well not really but it"s much better. I checked with the steel supplier before I put the cellulose against it. So I guess my walls are 8&1/2 inches. Good luck, Gus.

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metweldeng

10-25-2005 03:38:28




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Gus, 10-17-2005 15:16:50  
I am considering doing the same except I want to hang steel siding on the inside. I just need to figure out how to put in a vapor barrier. Should I put plastic on the inside or outside of the insulation? or maybe both.

any thoughts?

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Gus

10-25-2005 04:06:38




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to metweldeng, 10-25-2005 03:38:28  
I never gave a vapor barrier a thought at the time. I did ask if the cellulose could be blown against the steel. I would think you would only want the vapor barrier inside. I know in homes that"s the way it"s done. You don"t want to trap moisture in the insulation.In real cold weather I get some moisture on the inside of the walls. Like when I bring my truck covered with slush/ ice. Until it all melts and drys off. Usually the barn is 55 degrees unless I"m going to be in it for a while. If I run the ceiling fans it helps dry things quicker.

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

10-17-2005 13:40:05




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Hoosier Dave, 10-17-2005 13:17:12  
Fiberglass works well. I would stud it out (probably 24" centers) and run insulation vertically. I would have this insulation fill the arispace completey, while trying not to compress the insulation too much. One option from this point is to screw liner horizontally. Second option is to put horizontal girts across the studs, either insulate or not (good spot for rigid 1-1/2"), and install steel vertically.

In either case, I would prder the steel cut to the inch required. Many have a liner panel grade or exterior grade seconds that work fine. I have installed the perforated steel in an effort to reduce sound echo. I'm not sure it helped too much. Keep the steel off of the concrete a little bit (we use 1/4" plywood spacers.)

Best of luck,

Bill

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bradk

10-18-2005 16:58:44




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 Re: Insulating a Pole Barn in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 10-17-2005 13:40:05  
I had my 26x48x12 insulated w/Icenene spray foam.Gaining popularity w/new home & commmercial const.The guys came out & did it in 3 hrs.Costed me the same as it would have in materials alone to stud & fiberglass bat,not mentioning the work of installing.Last winter was the first year since insulated & I was impressed!Warm & sound proof and fire resistant!!It was a harsh winter here in Minnesota.Let me know if need more info.~brad

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